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		<title>By: Tom Mysiewicz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Mysiewicz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finance or debt capitalism is the economics of plunder.  In the U.S., for instance, banks can lend out $100,000 for every $1,000 in deposits (or even more).  When they get bailed out--do they get $1000 or $100,000?  That money has to come from someplace.  The U.S. dollar--basically a debt instrument--has a carrying charge by its nature.  These interest payments come from someplace.  Add in Sorosian currency speculation (taking whole nations to the &quot;chop shop&quot;) and criminal fraudulent derivative instruments and you have additional layers of fraud.  It&#039;s all sleight of hand.  The poor never figure it out and if they do can do nothing about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finance or debt capitalism is the economics of plunder.  In the U.S., for instance, banks can lend out $100,000 for every $1,000 in deposits (or even more).  When they get bailed out&#8211;do they get $1000 or $100,000?  That money has to come from someplace.  The U.S. dollar&#8211;basically a debt instrument&#8211;has a carrying charge by its nature.  These interest payments come from someplace.  Add in Sorosian currency speculation (taking whole nations to the &#8220;chop shop&#8221;) and criminal fraudulent derivative instruments and you have additional layers of fraud.  It&#8217;s all sleight of hand.  The poor never figure it out and if they do can do nothing about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Naidamast</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Naidamast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 20:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very sound article on the economics of the world, then and now.

The &quot;Steady State&quot; concept is perfectly possible.  However, the reason it does not appear possible now is because capitalism has been so horribly distorted.  Capitalism was designed to be an open &quot;playing field&quot; for many small companies producing products that would compete for customer purchasing.  The idea of the current, monolithic corporation that we have today is anathema to capitalism and is not in any way reflective of how the original system was supposed to operate.

With many smaller companies competing, government regulation would have been more easily enforced and less complex making it somewhat less intrusive since the governance of a small company requires a lot less work than that of a huge conglomerate.

With many small companies, capitalism could have achieved a normal sense of ebb and flow within the market place without the massive traumas that we currently experience since all such companies would have had less influence politically let alone within the market place.

Capitalism was also not formulated around the &quot;corporation&quot; but around small companies or businesses whereby the owners were responsible for everything that happened to them.  The corporation of today was actually designed to get around early capitalism&#039;s inherent limitations on wealth creation by actually being created as a scam that became banned for two centuries throughout Europe.

It wasn&#039;t until Britain opened the doors again for this atrocity in the late 18th century (I believe) that the corporation was able to establish itself and metamorphose into the monster it has become today...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very sound article on the economics of the world, then and now.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Steady State&#8221; concept is perfectly possible.  However, the reason it does not appear possible now is because capitalism has been so horribly distorted.  Capitalism was designed to be an open &#8220;playing field&#8221; for many small companies producing products that would compete for customer purchasing.  The idea of the current, monolithic corporation that we have today is anathema to capitalism and is not in any way reflective of how the original system was supposed to operate.</p>
<p>With many smaller companies competing, government regulation would have been more easily enforced and less complex making it somewhat less intrusive since the governance of a small company requires a lot less work than that of a huge conglomerate.</p>
<p>With many small companies, capitalism could have achieved a normal sense of ebb and flow within the market place without the massive traumas that we currently experience since all such companies would have had less influence politically let alone within the market place.</p>
<p>Capitalism was also not formulated around the &#8220;corporation&#8221; but around small companies or businesses whereby the owners were responsible for everything that happened to them.  The corporation of today was actually designed to get around early capitalism&#8217;s inherent limitations on wealth creation by actually being created as a scam that became banned for two centuries throughout Europe.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t until Britain opened the doors again for this atrocity in the late 18th century (I believe) that the corporation was able to establish itself and metamorphose into the monster it has become today&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vera Gottlieb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vera Gottlieb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greed: mankind&#039;s graveyard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greed: mankind&#8217;s graveyard.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Marshall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 13:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alan, it is you who has it wrong! 

Thatcher: “We need not bother too much with our old industries and ways of creating wealth, the banks and the markets will do it for us.”

Hart: Events were to prove that she could not have been more naive and more wrong, but before they did American presidents starting with Ronald Reagan had followed her lead.

Marshall: A better way to obtain proper behavior is to have misbehavors suffer the consequences of their actions. Regulation just invites a whole new category of misbehavors ... with more power than the misbehavors they are supposed to regulate.

As long as we have a concept of &quot;too big to fail&quot; we have an ailment of &quot;too big&quot; ... period! This is not mitigated by making bigger.

The root of all our problems is mismanagement of our medium of exchange. The most important result of this mismanagement is that INFLATION is not zero as it must be.

Todd Marshall
Plantersville, TX]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan, it is you who has it wrong! </p>
<p>Thatcher: “We need not bother too much with our old industries and ways of creating wealth, the banks and the markets will do it for us.”</p>
<p>Hart: Events were to prove that she could not have been more naive and more wrong, but before they did American presidents starting with Ronald Reagan had followed her lead.</p>
<p>Marshall: A better way to obtain proper behavior is to have misbehavors suffer the consequences of their actions. Regulation just invites a whole new category of misbehavors &#8230; with more power than the misbehavors they are supposed to regulate.</p>
<p>As long as we have a concept of &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; we have an ailment of &#8220;too big&#8221; &#8230; period! This is not mitigated by making bigger.</p>
<p>The root of all our problems is mismanagement of our medium of exchange. The most important result of this mismanagement is that INFLATION is not zero as it must be.</p>
<p>Todd Marshall<br />
Plantersville, TX</p>
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		<title>By: David King</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David King]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting Alan.  I wonder what else your friend Edward Heath had to say on the topic of marshal law?  It seems that the US is about to enter that stage.  I also note that gun sales in the US has gone up 30-35% year on year for the last 2 years. The US FEMA camps are also about to go online; as personnel are now being sort to man these facilities; and lastly I am seeing more online comments from everyday people who are starting to get worried about their US zionist government.

I would like to know what the future holds.  I don&#039;t mean what it promises but a real crystal ball.  It is a very worrying situation.  At this point I am hoping at least that the worst will happen first in the US and from your post Britain; giving us Aussies a small chance at least of preparing for the zionist takeover.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting Alan.  I wonder what else your friend Edward Heath had to say on the topic of marshal law?  It seems that the US is about to enter that stage.  I also note that gun sales in the US has gone up 30-35% year on year for the last 2 years. The US FEMA camps are also about to go online; as personnel are now being sort to man these facilities; and lastly I am seeing more online comments from everyday people who are starting to get worried about their US zionist government.</p>
<p>I would like to know what the future holds.  I don&#8217;t mean what it promises but a real crystal ball.  It is a very worrying situation.  At this point I am hoping at least that the worst will happen first in the US and from your post Britain; giving us Aussies a small chance at least of preparing for the zionist takeover.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Griffiths</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Graham Griffiths]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 20:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting analysis of the present situation. Never having fully understood world economics(but then, who does? The experts all argue with each other),I wondered why we couldn&#039;t let the banks stew, and have a national bank to replace them, but then I thought I obviously don&#039;t understand it. So it&#039;s so refreshing to see Alan ask the same question. The comically eccentric Max Keiser, on Russia Today, has made similar comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting analysis of the present situation. Never having fully understood world economics(but then, who does? The experts all argue with each other),I wondered why we couldn&#8217;t let the banks stew, and have a national bank to replace them, but then I thought I obviously don&#8217;t understand it. So it&#8217;s so refreshing to see Alan ask the same question. The comically eccentric Max Keiser, on Russia Today, has made similar comments.</p>
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		<title>By: p</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the &quot;South&quot; had been educated and made a little richer, so they could buy &quot;Northern&quot; gadgets, then we would have one world instead of two. The &quot;steady-state&quot; would be a single set of manufacturers (capital) and a single set of consumers (North and south, together). 

After this happened, where would the next &quot;growth&quot; come from, a growth (in consumers) needed to sustain capital? And why are not today&#039;s consumers in the North enough to sustain today&#039;s capital?

Something wrong here. If an economic steady-state is possible (and I&#039;m doubtful that it is), then a purely Northern steady-state would have been possible.  But in fact things are breaking down.

If an economic sterady-state is not possible, then adding a large set of consumers via education and enrichment of the South will not create one.

What might happen, however, is that the GROWTH of consumers by educating and enriching the South might sustain the growth-demanding capitalism for a while longer.  After that it would either CRASH, as it may do now, or find a way to come into cooperative equilibrium with people, nature, climate, etc.

(Better start learning soon, though!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the &#8220;South&#8221; had been educated and made a little richer, so they could buy &#8220;Northern&#8221; gadgets, then we would have one world instead of two. The &#8220;steady-state&#8221; would be a single set of manufacturers (capital) and a single set of consumers (North and south, together). </p>
<p>After this happened, where would the next &#8220;growth&#8221; come from, a growth (in consumers) needed to sustain capital? And why are not today&#8217;s consumers in the North enough to sustain today&#8217;s capital?</p>
<p>Something wrong here. If an economic steady-state is possible (and I&#8217;m doubtful that it is), then a purely Northern steady-state would have been possible.  But in fact things are breaking down.</p>
<p>If an economic sterady-state is not possible, then adding a large set of consumers via education and enrichment of the South will not create one.</p>
<p>What might happen, however, is that the GROWTH of consumers by educating and enriching the South might sustain the growth-demanding capitalism for a while longer.  After that it would either CRASH, as it may do now, or find a way to come into cooperative equilibrium with people, nature, climate, etc.</p>
<p>(Better start learning soon, though!)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Kenny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is quite a good analysis. I have always believed that the real cause of the crisis was precisely that the poor of the world are slowly but surely taking their destiny into their own hands. Since the wealth of the developed countries were based on the exploitation of the poor ones, the ending of that exploitation has to be accompanied by an impoverishment of the developed countries and the consequent need for those countries to find a new economic model. Thus, there is no &quot;euro crisis&quot; or &quot;debt crisis&quot;. The crisis is systemic, but not in the simplistic and antiquated terms of the marxists, pipedreaming of old Karl rising from the dead as the new messiah and being born aloft on the shoulders of Lenin and Trotsky. I don&#039;t fear a war involving Europe, though. After all the blood that was spilt here in the 20th century, and all the anniversaries starting to come up, I don&#039;t think Europeans will be too busy contemplating the disaster war brought upon them ever go to war again. What the belliocse and belligerent Americans might do if their backs were to the wall is another matter. The footnote is, I&#039;m afraid, rather silly. Of course the stable door is being shut! The horse has just bolted through the open door! A new horse is being got ready, but there is no point of putting it into a stable with an open door. The solution to the debt crisis will I think, be Mr Hart&#039;s second scenario: a large scale write off. Essentially, there is no alternative. But letting banks go bust just hurts their depositors, thousands and thousands of small people. Nationalising would be better than just bailing out and that too will probably be inevitable sooner or later. Thus, I&#039;m very optimistic about the future of the world, Europe, the EU, the euro and even my personal future (I retire next week!).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite a good analysis. I have always believed that the real cause of the crisis was precisely that the poor of the world are slowly but surely taking their destiny into their own hands. Since the wealth of the developed countries were based on the exploitation of the poor ones, the ending of that exploitation has to be accompanied by an impoverishment of the developed countries and the consequent need for those countries to find a new economic model. Thus, there is no &#8220;euro crisis&#8221; or &#8220;debt crisis&#8221;. The crisis is systemic, but not in the simplistic and antiquated terms of the marxists, pipedreaming of old Karl rising from the dead as the new messiah and being born aloft on the shoulders of Lenin and Trotsky. I don&#8217;t fear a war involving Europe, though. After all the blood that was spilt here in the 20th century, and all the anniversaries starting to come up, I don&#8217;t think Europeans will be too busy contemplating the disaster war brought upon them ever go to war again. What the belliocse and belligerent Americans might do if their backs were to the wall is another matter. The footnote is, I&#8217;m afraid, rather silly. Of course the stable door is being shut! The horse has just bolted through the open door! A new horse is being got ready, but there is no point of putting it into a stable with an open door. The solution to the debt crisis will I think, be Mr Hart&#8217;s second scenario: a large scale write off. Essentially, there is no alternative. But letting banks go bust just hurts their depositors, thousands and thousands of small people. Nationalising would be better than just bailing out and that too will probably be inevitable sooner or later. Thus, I&#8217;m very optimistic about the future of the world, Europe, the EU, the euro and even my personal future (I retire next week!).</p>
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