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		<title>By: Cllr David Durant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cllr David Durant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re David L Nilsson

I can readily accept that the &#039;13th tribe&#039; should not be taken literally. After all it was written by a communist in dispute with the zionists for the jewish soul.

The 13th tribe myth was promoted as an alternative to the holy land myth. 

But it did draw attention to the existence of a large thriving jewish population in Russia and Poland, that spoke Yiddish and had no historical blood ties to the Holy Land.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re David L Nilsson</p>
<p>I can readily accept that the &#8217;13th tribe&#8217; should not be taken literally. After all it was written by a communist in dispute with the zionists for the jewish soul.</p>
<p>The 13th tribe myth was promoted as an alternative to the holy land myth. </p>
<p>But it did draw attention to the existence of a large thriving jewish population in Russia and Poland, that spoke Yiddish and had no historical blood ties to the Holy Land.</p>
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		<title>By: p.a.travers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[p.a.travers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As David Irving sometimes implies from known facts, Mr. Liebler is hiding behind the Australian citizen apron.A sad day that of all the terrible history of the world The Holocaust is soon to be part of the schooling.The Jews in Australia and there more self-announcing supporters are simply also hiding from the world.From the comfort of the silliness of their historical claims about family and self.Until David Irving is allowed into Australia,consider Australian Jewry riding boastfully on being victims.I think this is a PR disaster for Australia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As David Irving sometimes implies from known facts, Mr. Liebler is hiding behind the Australian citizen apron.A sad day that of all the terrible history of the world The Holocaust is soon to be part of the schooling.The Jews in Australia and there more self-announcing supporters are simply also hiding from the world.From the comfort of the silliness of their historical claims about family and self.Until David Irving is allowed into Australia,consider Australian Jewry riding boastfully on being victims.I think this is a PR disaster for Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: David L Nilsson</title>
		<link>http://www.alanhart.net/candidly-speaking-the-de-zionization-of-anglo-jewry/comment-page-1/#comment-10521</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L Nilsson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 21:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Durant: &quot;A claim debunked in Arthur Koestler&#039;s 13th Tribe.&quot;

Er, no. Modern genetic research refutes the idea that any but a few at court in the Khazar kingdom converted and transmitted their genes to today&#039;s Jewry.

Koestler was probably sincere, while enjoying mischief-making, but anyone who still talks about Khazaria as the real place of origin of Israelis is &#039;avin&#039; a larf.

My interest in all this is the &#039;centuries of persecution&#039; and &#039;irrational hatred&#039; schtick. 

Ever since Flavius Josephus, the unpopularity of Jews among their gentile hosts and neighbours has been a recurrent theme of history. The Jews pitch up in a new country, get persecuted into positions of wealth and influence, then get kicked out or worse. 

Is it really ALL down to blind prejudice... or does it ever occur to the more thoughtful of them that, you know, they might be doing something wrong?

Oh no! Perish the thought! Evil Nazi Alert!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Durant: &#8220;A claim debunked in Arthur Koestler&#8217;s 13th Tribe.&#8221;</p>
<p>Er, no. Modern genetic research refutes the idea that any but a few at court in the Khazar kingdom converted and transmitted their genes to today&#8217;s Jewry.</p>
<p>Koestler was probably sincere, while enjoying mischief-making, but anyone who still talks about Khazaria as the real place of origin of Israelis is &#8216;avin&#8217; a larf.</p>
<p>My interest in all this is the &#8216;centuries of persecution&#8217; and &#8216;irrational hatred&#8217; schtick. </p>
<p>Ever since Flavius Josephus, the unpopularity of Jews among their gentile hosts and neighbours has been a recurrent theme of history. The Jews pitch up in a new country, get persecuted into positions of wealth and influence, then get kicked out or worse. </p>
<p>Is it really ALL down to blind prejudice&#8230; or does it ever occur to the more thoughtful of them that, you know, they might be doing something wrong?</p>
<p>Oh no! Perish the thought! Evil Nazi Alert!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There can be no cevenant between Jew and Gentile because the concept of Jew and Gentile is a Jewish thing, it would play into their fantasies.

 It would be like asking the rest of humanity to make covenant between muslim and kuffar, the term only exists in Islam, no it is on their heads to relinquish a barbaric belief or suffer as they deserve to suffer, in return for the suffering they cause.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There can be no cevenant between Jew and Gentile because the concept of Jew and Gentile is a Jewish thing, it would play into their fantasies.</p>
<p> It would be like asking the rest of humanity to make covenant between muslim and kuffar, the term only exists in Islam, no it is on their heads to relinquish a barbaric belief or suffer as they deserve to suffer, in return for the suffering they cause.</p>
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		<title>By: lo ma sek to</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lo ma sek to]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who do you think you are kidding? If there were any real Zionists they would be in Israel. Truth is almost no American or European Jews even want to go there on a visit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who do you think you are kidding? If there were any real Zionists they would be in Israel. Truth is almost no American or European Jews even want to go there on a visit.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Schulman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene Schulman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 13:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I fully agree with your analysis, thus have nothing to add, except to suggest everyone read your equally powerful book.

Haven&#039;t yet seen the Barghouti documentary, but would also suggest reading (along the same line) Ramzy Baroud&#039;s book, &quot;My Father Was a Freedom Fighter:  Gaza&#039;s Untold Story.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree with your analysis, thus have nothing to add, except to suggest everyone read your equally powerful book.</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t yet seen the Barghouti documentary, but would also suggest reading (along the same line) Ramzy Baroud&#8217;s book, &#8220;My Father Was a Freedom Fighter:  Gaza&#8217;s Untold Story.)</p>
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		<title>By: rosemary spiota</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rosemary spiota]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 21:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The outrageous comments made by Liebler included the fuss about rockets and delegitimisation too. Netanyahu and Sen Joe Lieberman can make speeches with every sentence a lie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The outrageous comments made by Liebler included the fuss about rockets and delegitimisation too. Netanyahu and Sen Joe Lieberman can make speeches with every sentence a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Comité pour une Paix Juste au Proche Orient &#187; Alan Hart : &#160;&#187; Au coeur du problème &#171;&#160;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Comité pour une Paix Juste au Proche Orient &#187; Alan Hart : &#160;&#187; Au coeur du problème &#171;&#160;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert Battersby</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Battersby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 01:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, money sure talks! Perhaps if the Goyim have caught wind of the reality of Zionism, those wealthy Jews may be getting hurt in the pocket. Zionism may have been sold to these people by claiming it would bring them money. But with the continued siege of Gaza and Israel&#039;s zeal for a war with Iran, Israel is more than ever the Dirty Old man of World Politics to the gentiles of the world. If Zionism is a financial liability to these wealthy folk, then they may drop it like a hot potato.
It seems Leibler has good reason to panic. Without the support of the wealthy &amp; influential, Zionism will evaporate to the benefit of the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, money sure talks! Perhaps if the Goyim have caught wind of the reality of Zionism, those wealthy Jews may be getting hurt in the pocket. Zionism may have been sold to these people by claiming it would bring them money. But with the continued siege of Gaza and Israel&#8217;s zeal for a war with Iran, Israel is more than ever the Dirty Old man of World Politics to the gentiles of the world. If Zionism is a financial liability to these wealthy folk, then they may drop it like a hot potato.<br />
It seems Leibler has good reason to panic. Without the support of the wealthy &amp; influential, Zionism will evaporate to the benefit of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Cllr David Durant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cllr David Durant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The original Zionist (nationalist) aim was to create a homeland for all European jews. Palestine was finally chosen because of a mythical claim that it was their ancestral homeland. A claim debunked in Arthur Koestler&#039;s 13th Tribe.

And they achieved it, but after the initial conflict, refused to make peace with their neighbours. They should have learned from e.g. New Zealand, where the English settlers came to an accommodation with the Maori to share the land.

The only &#039;logical&#039; explanation for this, is that the Zionists are still awaiting the arrival of all the European jews. But its not going to happen, because although the Diaspora may empathise with Israel they have no intention of living there.

&#039;Logically&#039; the Zionists must know this and should settle for a Jewish homeland with international guarantees, and a diaspora made secure by supporting democratic institutions and not having to defend the actions of extremist Israeli governments.

Their problem is, the failure to make peace is destroying the Zionist project, by changing the demographics of Israel. And it is this change that will lead the Zionist lobby (despite its apparent omnipotence) to suddenly collapse, like the Berlin Wall.

This is because in order to pursue the conflict, Israel has looked around for other jews and non Jewish jews to boost numbers and man the factories.

This has led to a rise in the ethnic Arab Jewish population (the real Semitic jews!), Russian non Jewish jews (said they were jews to escape the Soviet Union) and other nationalities as &#039;guest workers&#039;.

This process, which takes time, is changing the face of Israel from a European to an Arab/mixed one and will eventually turn Israel into just another country in the Middle-East.

And this trend is leading to the de-Zionization of Anglo Jewry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original Zionist (nationalist) aim was to create a homeland for all European jews. Palestine was finally chosen because of a mythical claim that it was their ancestral homeland. A claim debunked in Arthur Koestler&#8217;s 13th Tribe.</p>
<p>And they achieved it, but after the initial conflict, refused to make peace with their neighbours. They should have learned from e.g. New Zealand, where the English settlers came to an accommodation with the Maori to share the land.</p>
<p>The only &#8216;logical&#8217; explanation for this, is that the Zionists are still awaiting the arrival of all the European jews. But its not going to happen, because although the Diaspora may empathise with Israel they have no intention of living there.</p>
<p>&#8216;Logically&#8217; the Zionists must know this and should settle for a Jewish homeland with international guarantees, and a diaspora made secure by supporting democratic institutions and not having to defend the actions of extremist Israeli governments.</p>
<p>Their problem is, the failure to make peace is destroying the Zionist project, by changing the demographics of Israel. And it is this change that will lead the Zionist lobby (despite its apparent omnipotence) to suddenly collapse, like the Berlin Wall.</p>
<p>This is because in order to pursue the conflict, Israel has looked around for other jews and non Jewish jews to boost numbers and man the factories.</p>
<p>This has led to a rise in the ethnic Arab Jewish population (the real Semitic jews!), Russian non Jewish jews (said they were jews to escape the Soviet Union) and other nationalities as &#8216;guest workers&#8217;.</p>
<p>This process, which takes time, is changing the face of Israel from a European to an Arab/mixed one and will eventually turn Israel into just another country in the Middle-East.</p>
<p>And this trend is leading to the de-Zionization of Anglo Jewry.</p>
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