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		<title>By: Zionist Israel An International Pariah : Veracity Voice</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2014 13:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Israel is a social outcast for much the same reason that the United States government has become a threat to its own people. Alan Hart back in 2011 writes in the article, Could pariah status spell the end for Zionism? [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Israel is a social outcast for much the same reason that the United States government has become a threat to its own people. Alan Hart back in 2011 writes in the article, Could pariah status spell the end for Zionism? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Sartre ~ Zionist Israel: An International Pariah &#124; Shift Frequency</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sartre ~ Zionist Israel: An International Pariah &#124; Shift Frequency]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2014 16:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Israel is a social outcast for much the same reason that the United States government has become a threat to its own people. Alan Hart back in 2011 writes in the article, Could pariah status spell the end for Zionism? [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Israel is a social outcast for much the same reason that the United States government has become a threat to its own people. Alan Hart back in 2011 writes in the article, Could pariah status spell the end for Zionism? [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: TWO WITNESSES &#38; TWO OTHERS …Keeping Israel and the Church Apart Chapter 27, the False Prophet &#124; GODISFAITHFULGOD.COM</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Jewry, especially American Jews, from Israel’s materiality is a disturbing phenomenon – her “pariah status” or “guilty as charged” in being overtly apartheid – grows daily.  After all, Jews [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jewry, especially American Jews, from Israel’s materiality is a disturbing phenomenon – her “pariah status” or “guilty as charged” in being overtly apartheid – grows daily.  After all, Jews [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse "The Mouth" Zimmerman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jesse "The Mouth" Zimmerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 06:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alan Hart, what do you think of the proposed March on Israel, or Third Intifada?  The right-wing blogosphere is trying to portray this as a second Holocaust (BS).  What do you think will happen?  What are the possible outcomes?  What will Israel do if the refugees start marching en masse?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Hart, what do you think of the proposed March on Israel, or Third Intifada?  The right-wing blogosphere is trying to portray this as a second Holocaust (BS).  What do you think will happen?  What are the possible outcomes?  What will Israel do if the refugees start marching en masse?</p>
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		<title>By: Mohamed Salem</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mohamed Salem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Comments to JJJ... comments

Don&#039;t forget that Israel creation is a colonial fact following WWII: the palestinians are not part of the Holocaust they don&#039;t have to pay for Hitler terrible acts. If justice was the dominating word today (and we are far from that) the zionists would apologize today for the cration of israel  and beg the palestinians to give them less thant 10% of actual Israel land to establish hotels and resorts for tourist jews comming from abroad to visit the holly land.
Put this hangry  comment aside and see how the arrogance of zionist extremist has put Israel in the satuation that  Apartheid militants put South Africa: the nuks, agressions agains neiboring states, repression against black citizen, western military and political supports but nothing prevented this ugly system to collapse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments to JJJ&#8230; comments</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that Israel creation is a colonial fact following WWII: the palestinians are not part of the Holocaust they don&#8217;t have to pay for Hitler terrible acts. If justice was the dominating word today (and we are far from that) the zionists would apologize today for the cration of israel  and beg the palestinians to give them less thant 10% of actual Israel land to establish hotels and resorts for tourist jews comming from abroad to visit the holly land.<br />
Put this hangry  comment aside and see how the arrogance of zionist extremist has put Israel in the satuation that  Apartheid militants put South Africa: the nuks, agressions agains neiboring states, repression against black citizen, western military and political supports but nothing prevented this ugly system to collapse.</p>
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		<title>By: jjj</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jjj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Questions:
1. Don&#039;t the arabs want Israel to go to hell?
   Maybe that&#039;s what the nukes are for?
2. If Ahmadinajad had the bomb, wouldn&#039;t he be using it?
3. What is the peace agreement the Palestinians can accept?
   From all their demands, 
   the right of return means no more Israel, so what 
   is this &quot;peace&quot; agreement?
4. What if Israel cannot accept this agreement?
5. Though I agree the settlements are one of the worst disasters Israel 
   has ever made, isn&#039;t this just an excuse?
   I mean, if Arafat was willing to go all the way - wouldn&#039;t there be 
   peace right now?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Questions:<br />
1. Don&#8217;t the arabs want Israel to go to hell?<br />
   Maybe that&#8217;s what the nukes are for?<br />
2. If Ahmadinajad had the bomb, wouldn&#8217;t he be using it?<br />
3. What is the peace agreement the Palestinians can accept?<br />
   From all their demands,<br />
   the right of return means no more Israel, so what<br />
   is this &#8220;peace&#8221; agreement?<br />
4. What if Israel cannot accept this agreement?<br />
5. Though I agree the settlements are one of the worst disasters Israel<br />
   has ever made, isn&#8217;t this just an excuse?<br />
   I mean, if Arafat was willing to go all the way &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t there be<br />
   peace right now?</p>
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		<title>By: dolores</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dolores]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m with John Smith on this one. Israel will sooner self-destruct than give up an inch. The hardy Perennial Victim Status has still much mileage in it. Dark times ahead. Well, darker. The latest little colonial venture in Lybia only shows what a useless bunch the UN and the EU are and what a sham is the Security Council. Don&#039;t expect them to take a real dissenting stance any time soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m with John Smith on this one. Israel will sooner self-destruct than give up an inch. The hardy Perennial Victim Status has still much mileage in it. Dark times ahead. Well, darker. The latest little colonial venture in Lybia only shows what a useless bunch the UN and the EU are and what a sham is the Security Council. Don&#8217;t expect them to take a real dissenting stance any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Himmelhoch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan Himmelhoch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 01:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alan!

What an important issue you raised. And important one.

Whenever someone accuses people who call Israel a &#039;Pariah State&#039; of being &#039;anti-semitic&#039; &#039;pro-violence&#039; or &#039;anti&#039; anything they are now, it is a good idea to have the plethora of quotes from main stream Jewish Israeli Politicians who have expressed direct concern about Israel becoming or being a &quot;Pariah&#039; State. Yes, the &#039;P&#039; word is indeed used, not implied. 

Even Tzipi Livni, then Opposition Leader, was quoted in Haaretz (3 March 2010) as saying in a debate in the Knesset on &quot;Israel under the Leadership of Netanyahu&quot; as saying directly:-

&quot;Since you took control, Israel has become a pariah country in the world.&quot;

Any good browser search - including http://printfu.org for pdf documents - will allow someone to rebuff instantly that the use of the term &#039;Pariah&#039;is racist or whatever. Rather it should be seen as a deep caring word for a non-violent wake up to the leaders in Jewish Israel.

But this is not all, You would also be aware Alan of the increasing number of generally pro-Israeli writers in mainstream Newspapers and academic peer reviewed Journals who have also used the &#039;P&#039; word vis a vis Israel&#039;s leaders.

In 2010 Sasha Polakow-Suransky&#039;s work &#039;The Unspoken Alliance - Israel&#039;s Secret Reltionship with Apartheid South Africa&#039; [Pantheon, NY] came out. The writer as many would also know is no blazing radical. He is deservedly a senior editor at &#039;Foreign Affairs&#039; and has an impressive academic background.

What he writes - I have a copy - is vital to be aware of when wishes to factor in the way that Israel saw nothing wrong, for far too long that is, in close cooperation with the Apartheid Pariah State. This nexus is deeply depressing of course - but I mention it here as moving on from what Sasha writes, I feel reading this also provides some insight into Israeli Zionist views on what relevance a &#039;Pariah&#039; name tag has in foreign relations.&#039;

In an area of research into &#039;Hasbara&#039; I am trying to academically collect and assimilate just how many times &#039;Pariah&#039; allegations have been made within the Zionist establishment as well as by outside writers who are non-violent and otherwise sympathetic writers to Israel.

My preliminary conclusion: More and more are using the &#039;Pariah&#039; epithet. 

This said, where do your readers feel it will lead? In Apartheid South Africa it became eventually a prickly issue and term. I am still analysing Israeli reaction(s).

And working further on it.

Ivan Himmelhoch]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan!</p>
<p>What an important issue you raised. And important one.</p>
<p>Whenever someone accuses people who call Israel a &#8216;Pariah State&#8217; of being &#8216;anti-semitic&#8217; &#8216;pro-violence&#8217; or &#8216;anti&#8217; anything they are now, it is a good idea to have the plethora of quotes from main stream Jewish Israeli Politicians who have expressed direct concern about Israel becoming or being a &#8220;Pariah&#8217; State. Yes, the &#8216;P&#8217; word is indeed used, not implied. </p>
<p>Even Tzipi Livni, then Opposition Leader, was quoted in Haaretz (3 March 2010) as saying in a debate in the Knesset on &#8220;Israel under the Leadership of Netanyahu&#8221; as saying directly:-</p>
<p>&#8220;Since you took control, Israel has become a pariah country in the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Any good browser search &#8211; including <a href="http://printfu.org" rel="nofollow">http://printfu.org</a> for pdf documents &#8211; will allow someone to rebuff instantly that the use of the term &#8216;Pariah&#8217;is racist or whatever. Rather it should be seen as a deep caring word for a non-violent wake up to the leaders in Jewish Israel.</p>
<p>But this is not all, You would also be aware Alan of the increasing number of generally pro-Israeli writers in mainstream Newspapers and academic peer reviewed Journals who have also used the &#8216;P&#8217; word vis a vis Israel&#8217;s leaders.</p>
<p>In 2010 Sasha Polakow-Suransky&#8217;s work &#8216;The Unspoken Alliance &#8211; Israel&#8217;s Secret Reltionship with Apartheid South Africa&#8217; [Pantheon, NY] came out. The writer as many would also know is no blazing radical. He is deservedly a senior editor at &#8216;Foreign Affairs&#8217; and has an impressive academic background.</p>
<p>What he writes &#8211; I have a copy &#8211; is vital to be aware of when wishes to factor in the way that Israel saw nothing wrong, for far too long that is, in close cooperation with the Apartheid Pariah State. This nexus is deeply depressing of course &#8211; but I mention it here as moving on from what Sasha writes, I feel reading this also provides some insight into Israeli Zionist views on what relevance a &#8216;Pariah&#8217; name tag has in foreign relations.&#8217;</p>
<p>In an area of research into &#8216;Hasbara&#8217; I am trying to academically collect and assimilate just how many times &#8216;Pariah&#8217; allegations have been made within the Zionist establishment as well as by outside writers who are non-violent and otherwise sympathetic writers to Israel.</p>
<p>My preliminary conclusion: More and more are using the &#8216;Pariah&#8217; epithet. </p>
<p>This said, where do your readers feel it will lead? In Apartheid South Africa it became eventually a prickly issue and term. I am still analysing Israeli reaction(s).</p>
<p>And working further on it.</p>
<p>Ivan Himmelhoch</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce Carmichael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joyce Carmichael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Alan,

What an interesting article with so much encouraging information. Good on Angela Merkel! I think the selling numbers in the Israeli peace camp proves that many Israeli Jews recognise that their country is already a pariah state. Perhaps as hard-core Zionists bow as we all must to old age and death the younger generation will ask more searching questions about Israel&#039;s place in the scheme of things and show that Israel can only survive by bveing more honest and humane. I do live in hope. Joyce]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Alan,</p>
<p>What an interesting article with so much encouraging information. Good on Angela Merkel! I think the selling numbers in the Israeli peace camp proves that many Israeli Jews recognise that their country is already a pariah state. Perhaps as hard-core Zionists bow as we all must to old age and death the younger generation will ask more searching questions about Israel&#8217;s place in the scheme of things and show that Israel can only survive by bveing more honest and humane. I do live in hope. Joyce</p>
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		<title>By: jolly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jolly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 16:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s time for Israel to hold out that hand to the Palestinians. If the people of Israel are to know peace  the people of palestine must live in dignity in a viable piece of land they can call their own .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s time for Israel to hold out that hand to the Palestinians. If the people of Israel are to know peace  the people of palestine must live in dignity in a viable piece of land they can call their own .</p>
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