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		<title>By: maryam</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re in a sense trying to explain zionism&#039;s idiotic racism, which is a lame attempt at justifying Jewish dominance in Palestine in modern times.

It&#039;s simple, really - just because it can be proven, or surmised, that Jews lived in Palestine 2,000 or 3,000 years ago means nothing.  It does not mean the land belongs to modern day European-descended religious convert Jews.  It also does not mean that 2,000 or 3,000 years ago the Jews were predominant or rulers of Palestine, merely that they lived there along with the Arabs.  

So the &quot;biological connection&quot; is meaningless and certainly under no circumstances justifies the occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re in a sense trying to explain zionism&#8217;s idiotic racism, which is a lame attempt at justifying Jewish dominance in Palestine in modern times.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s simple, really &#8211; just because it can be proven, or surmised, that Jews lived in Palestine 2,000 or 3,000 years ago means nothing.  It does not mean the land belongs to modern day European-descended religious convert Jews.  It also does not mean that 2,000 or 3,000 years ago the Jews were predominant or rulers of Palestine, merely that they lived there along with the Arabs.  </p>
<p>So the &#8220;biological connection&#8221; is meaningless and certainly under no circumstances justifies the occupation and ethnic cleansing of Palestine.</p>
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		<title>By: David King</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Talitha Degu

&quot;I am not arguing against an immoral and brutal occupation...&quot;

I think you mean, or I hope you mean, that you are not arguing FOR an immoral and brutal occupation.

&quot;What on earth is a &#039;biological&#039; claim to land anyway?&quot;

It is a reference to a common zionist claim, that their ancestors lived in Palestine, until the Romans drove them out, 2000 years ago. They are claiming the ownership of the land today and they are basing that claim on their ancestors occupation of the region at the time of the Bible.

&quot;there is plenty of research to indicate genetic markers linking Jewish populations worldwide.&quot;

Of course and why wouldn&#039;t there be?  Judaism isn&#039;t and never was a world wide religion.  It was a regional belief and I will argue that it remains thus.  It is only modern aviation that has transplanted Judaism (conversions amongst global population is very low or non existent).  Please also note that Ashkenazi Jews suffer a broad range of genetic disease as a result of inbreeding.  

So let me emphasis again; why wouldn&#039;t there be common genetic markers between the majority of Jews?

Who are the majority of Jews?  80% of Jews world wide are ethnically Ashkinazi.  Their origins are Eastern Europe and Germany.  Given what we already know in terms of their inbreeding; we can deduct that their appearance has not been substantially altered over the centuries.  If we can now agree, that 2000 years ago; there did not exist a German speaking Caucasian ethnic group in the Middle East; we can deduct that the ancestors of the zionists did not populate present day Palestine; and whats more; nor are they the decedents of the Jewish Bible.

I don&#039;t believe anyone here is arguing for racial purity.  Once again considering the Ashkinazi inbreeding diseases we can say that racial purity is a zionist belief.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Talitha Degu</p>
<p>&#8220;I am not arguing against an immoral and brutal occupation&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you mean, or I hope you mean, that you are not arguing FOR an immoral and brutal occupation.</p>
<p>&#8220;What on earth is a &#8216;biological&#8217; claim to land anyway?&#8221;</p>
<p>It is a reference to a common zionist claim, that their ancestors lived in Palestine, until the Romans drove them out, 2000 years ago. They are claiming the ownership of the land today and they are basing that claim on their ancestors occupation of the region at the time of the Bible.</p>
<p>&#8220;there is plenty of research to indicate genetic markers linking Jewish populations worldwide.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course and why wouldn&#8217;t there be?  Judaism isn&#8217;t and never was a world wide religion.  It was a regional belief and I will argue that it remains thus.  It is only modern aviation that has transplanted Judaism (conversions amongst global population is very low or non existent).  Please also note that Ashkenazi Jews suffer a broad range of genetic disease as a result of inbreeding.  </p>
<p>So let me emphasis again; why wouldn&#8217;t there be common genetic markers between the majority of Jews?</p>
<p>Who are the majority of Jews?  80% of Jews world wide are ethnically Ashkinazi.  Their origins are Eastern Europe and Germany.  Given what we already know in terms of their inbreeding; we can deduct that their appearance has not been substantially altered over the centuries.  If we can now agree, that 2000 years ago; there did not exist a German speaking Caucasian ethnic group in the Middle East; we can deduct that the ancestors of the zionists did not populate present day Palestine; and whats more; nor are they the decedents of the Jewish Bible.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe anyone here is arguing for racial purity.  Once again considering the Ashkinazi inbreeding diseases we can say that racial purity is a zionist belief.</p>
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		<title>By: Talitha Degu</title>
		<link>http://www.alanhart.net/is-palestine-a-lost-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-52098</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 07:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please be sure that I am not arguing against an immoral and brutal occupation, but I take issue with sentences wrought with fallacies such as: &quot;that almost all if not all the Jews who went to Palestine in answer to Zionism’s call had no biological connection whatsoever to the ancient Hebrews and therefore no claim on the land&quot; - What on earth is a &#039;biological&#039; claim to land anyway? Land is land, and people are people. They are not the same. Moreover, this suggests a large unverifiable claim on your part regarding biological issues, and perhaps not the best rhetorical strategy in any case. Shlomo Sand regarded &#039;biological claims&#039; as so much Nazi eugenics, but was unable to refute that there is plenty of research to indicate genetic markers linking Jewish populations worldwide; whether they are descendants of &#039;ancient Hebrews&#039; (?), or whether the Palestinians are &#039;ancient Palestinians&#039; (?) is equally unverifiable. We are not talking about Amazonian natives in the rainforest: no culture is in the near East or Europe is not blended, none have an unending connection to a region. On this essential hybridity Edward Said wrote, &quot;No culture today is pure. Huntingdon writes about the West as if France we still made up of exclusively of Duponts and Bergeracs, England of Smiths and Joneses. This is fundamentalism, not analysis of culture, which, it bears repeating, was made by mankind … Another way of using difference in culture is to welcome the “other” as equal but not precisely the same … We have a choice to work for conflict, or against it. We must not be fooled by Huntington’s martial accents into believing that we are condemned to ceaseless strife, because in fact we are not.&quot; (&#039;The Uses of Culture&#039; in &#039;The End of the Peace Process—Oslo and After&#039;, 2000, London, Granta Books. Essay published originally in February 1997 in Al-Ahram Weekly, The Gulf Today, Al-Khaleej, Al-Hayat.)  Sabeel founder Naim Ateek owned that the Palestinians were a mixture of peoples who had lived in the region throughout history, some of them most likely descended from Jews (likewise equally blended). Edward Said also admitted (in the above essay) that Palestine was a land of many peoples: &quot;… Palestine is and always has been a land of many histories; it is a radical simplification to think of it as principally, or exclusively, Jewish or Arab, since although there has been a long-standing Jewish presence there, it is by no means the main one. Not only the Arabs, but Canaanites, Moabites, Jebusites, and Philistines in ancient times, and Romans, Ottomans, Byzantines, and Crusaders in the modern ages were tenants of the place which in effect is multicultural, multiethnic, multireligious. In fact, then, there is as little historical justification for homogeneity as there is for notions of national or ethnic and religious purity today …&quot; You can argue for justice for Palestinians, you can argue against an insensitive and immoral colonial-like settlement by Zionists that displaced people from lands on which they had been living for generations, but please don&#039;t argue for racial and cultural purity or time immemorial connections. It is is lie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please be sure that I am not arguing against an immoral and brutal occupation, but I take issue with sentences wrought with fallacies such as: &#8220;that almost all if not all the Jews who went to Palestine in answer to Zionism’s call had no biological connection whatsoever to the ancient Hebrews and therefore no claim on the land&#8221; &#8211; What on earth is a &#8216;biological&#8217; claim to land anyway? Land is land, and people are people. They are not the same. Moreover, this suggests a large unverifiable claim on your part regarding biological issues, and perhaps not the best rhetorical strategy in any case. Shlomo Sand regarded &#8216;biological claims&#8217; as so much Nazi eugenics, but was unable to refute that there is plenty of research to indicate genetic markers linking Jewish populations worldwide; whether they are descendants of &#8216;ancient Hebrews&#8217; (?), or whether the Palestinians are &#8216;ancient Palestinians&#8217; (?) is equally unverifiable. We are not talking about Amazonian natives in the rainforest: no culture is in the near East or Europe is not blended, none have an unending connection to a region. On this essential hybridity Edward Said wrote, &#8220;No culture today is pure. Huntingdon writes about the West as if France we still made up of exclusively of Duponts and Bergeracs, England of Smiths and Joneses. This is fundamentalism, not analysis of culture, which, it bears repeating, was made by mankind … Another way of using difference in culture is to welcome the “other” as equal but not precisely the same … We have a choice to work for conflict, or against it. We must not be fooled by Huntington’s martial accents into believing that we are condemned to ceaseless strife, because in fact we are not.&#8221; (&#8216;The Uses of Culture&#8217; in &#8216;The End of the Peace Process—Oslo and After&#8217;, 2000, London, Granta Books. Essay published originally in February 1997 in Al-Ahram Weekly, The Gulf Today, Al-Khaleej, Al-Hayat.)  Sabeel founder Naim Ateek owned that the Palestinians were a mixture of peoples who had lived in the region throughout history, some of them most likely descended from Jews (likewise equally blended). Edward Said also admitted (in the above essay) that Palestine was a land of many peoples: &#8220;… Palestine is and always has been a land of many histories; it is a radical simplification to think of it as principally, or exclusively, Jewish or Arab, since although there has been a long-standing Jewish presence there, it is by no means the main one. Not only the Arabs, but Canaanites, Moabites, Jebusites, and Philistines in ancient times, and Romans, Ottomans, Byzantines, and Crusaders in the modern ages were tenants of the place which in effect is multicultural, multiethnic, multireligious. In fact, then, there is as little historical justification for homogeneity as there is for notions of national or ethnic and religious purity today …&#8221; You can argue for justice for Palestinians, you can argue against an insensitive and immoral colonial-like settlement by Zionists that displaced people from lands on which they had been living for generations, but please don&#8217;t argue for racial and cultural purity or time immemorial connections. It is is lie.</p>
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		<title>By: David King</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 22:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Gene  

Ersatz: an artificial substance or article used to replace something natural or genuine; a poor quality substitute. 

I am not convinced that Foreign israel will attack.  If they do, it would mean the end for them.  The zionist population is ready to break and flee. Bomb Tel Aviv and they could never recover.  Those left behind, such as the &quot;Settlers&quot; ...well, we have spoken about the coming Holocaust.

In regards to the US; they are moving to a Police state model.  Their soldiers will be returning to the US for policing duties.  The US citizens will either acquiesce  or throw off the zionist yoke. Perhaps the zionists will flee to the US from Palestine?  &quot;As yea sow, so shall yea reap.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gene  </p>
<p>Ersatz: an artificial substance or article used to replace something natural or genuine; a poor quality substitute. </p>
<p>I am not convinced that Foreign israel will attack.  If they do, it would mean the end for them.  The zionist population is ready to break and flee. Bomb Tel Aviv and they could never recover.  Those left behind, such as the &#8220;Settlers&#8221; &#8230;well, we have spoken about the coming Holocaust.</p>
<p>In regards to the US; they are moving to a Police state model.  Their soldiers will be returning to the US for policing duties.  The US citizens will either acquiesce  or throw off the zionist yoke. Perhaps the zionists will flee to the US from Palestine?  &#8220;As yea sow, so shall yea reap.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: brenda barnard</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 19:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is Palestine a lost cause..........well apparently it is as....
In the city of Brighton UK  a new outlet opened this week called Ecostream, it manufactures its products in Mishor Adumim the industrial unit of the illegal settlement of Ma&#039;ale Adumim.
So the Israeli&#039;s are permitted with the council&#039;s consent to infiltrate our society.
Corporate Watch has all the relevant documents on their website.
This is BAD news for Justice]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Palestine a lost cause&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.well apparently it is as&#8230;.<br />
In the city of Brighton UK  a new outlet opened this week called Ecostream, it manufactures its products in Mishor Adumim the industrial unit of the illegal settlement of Ma&#8217;ale Adumim.<br />
So the Israeli&#8217;s are permitted with the council&#8217;s consent to infiltrate our society.<br />
Corporate Watch has all the relevant documents on their website.<br />
This is BAD news for Justice</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 14:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let us all not forget that it is the US that wants regime change in Iran.  Israel is only its bulldog, doing a good job yapping and keeping everyone on the edge of their seats.  Obama will do nothing to rein in Netanyahu.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us all not forget that it is the US that wants regime change in Iran.  Israel is only its bulldog, doing a good job yapping and keeping everyone on the edge of their seats.  Obama will do nothing to rein in Netanyahu.</p>
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		<title>By: maryam</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 14:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The impending war on Iran is the culmination of 64 years of zionist lunacy, paranoia and heavy-handed manipulation.  I&#039;ve always believed that Israel would be the catalyst for World War III, and I still do.  There is nothing stopping Netanyahu from launching unilateral air strikes on Iran; as much as Obama despises him, he will do nothing to stop it because Bibi knows Obama is desperately in need of zionist political and financial support.  Who knows, Obama might find himself being Sheldon Adelson&#039;s new best friend if he goes along with an attack on Iran before November.  Witness last night&#039;s desperate move by Obama - he personally made sure the Democratic Party platform includes a clause saying that Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The impending war on Iran is the culmination of 64 years of zionist lunacy, paranoia and heavy-handed manipulation.  I&#8217;ve always believed that Israel would be the catalyst for World War III, and I still do.  There is nothing stopping Netanyahu from launching unilateral air strikes on Iran; as much as Obama despises him, he will do nothing to stop it because Bibi knows Obama is desperately in need of zionist political and financial support.  Who knows, Obama might find himself being Sheldon Adelson&#8217;s new best friend if he goes along with an attack on Iran before November.  Witness last night&#8217;s desperate move by Obama &#8211; he personally made sure the Democratic Party platform includes a clause saying that Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 12:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ David and Maryam:  I agree that eretz (ersatz?)Israel is a failed idea, and has been from the beginning. That&#039;s precisely why there will be a war with Iran; to postpone the end. They will drag the US down with it, not without a lot of help from the US, itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David and Maryam:  I agree that eretz (ersatz?)Israel is a failed idea, and has been from the beginning. That&#8217;s precisely why there will be a war with Iran; to postpone the end. They will drag the US down with it, not without a lot of help from the US, itself.</p>
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		<title>By: David King</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David King]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 12:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Gene: Of course.
@ Maryam: Foreign zion will NOT attack Iran.

What does this poll mean?  25% is a very large number.  I think it indicates that many zionists realise ersatz israel&#039;s time is running out.  It is not just this issue with Iran.  Things have been going from bad to worse; and their world is disintegrating. Ersatz israel is a failed idea and it&#039;s time has come.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Gene: Of course.<br />
@ Maryam: Foreign zion will NOT attack Iran.</p>
<p>What does this poll mean?  25% is a very large number.  I think it indicates that many zionists realise ersatz israel&#8217;s time is running out.  It is not just this issue with Iran.  Things have been going from bad to worse; and their world is disintegrating. Ersatz israel is a failed idea and it&#8217;s time has come.</p>
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		<title>By: maryam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maryam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 11:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s one thing to bomb the unarmed Gazans, most of whom are children, and quite another to bomb Iran.  Iran can guarantee heavy Israeli casualties via retaliation.  If I were Israeli I&#039;d be getting the hell outa Dodge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s one thing to bomb the unarmed Gazans, most of whom are children, and quite another to bomb Iran.  Iran can guarantee heavy Israeli casualties via retaliation.  If I were Israeli I&#8217;d be getting the hell outa Dodge.</p>
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