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		<title>By: koppers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Alan

Where is your sanctimony with regards to the ethnically cleansed Jews from Arab countries? Do you deny there were nearly a million Jews dispossessed of their homes, livelihoods and stripped of their citizenship based purely on their religion.

Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Alan</p>
<p>Where is your sanctimony with regards to the ethnically cleansed Jews from Arab countries? Do you deny there were nearly a million Jews dispossessed of their homes, livelihoods and stripped of their citizenship based purely on their religion.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My definition of chutzpah... Inventing God to promise some people another peoples&#039; land]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My definition of chutzpah&#8230; Inventing God to promise some people another peoples&#8217; land</p>
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		<title>By: flo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 11:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Israel has a right to exist for one it is a God given right..and the Palestinians never had a state to begin with. They never existed until Arafat...they are mostly Jordanians in the first place...the are treated more fairly then any Jew in a Muslim country...and I for one am totally in agreement with Israel and her right to exist
. In 1948 Palestinians offered land also but refused, they went mainly to Jordan at the time… today they’re encroaching into Israel (as the good guys) – Gaza Strip, West Bank, East Jerusalem &amp; Golan Heights – only democracy… surrounded by hostile neighbors everywhere outnumbered 50 to 1, 650 to 1 in land mass and vowing Israel’s extermination (Pres. Obama May 20th speech pressuring Israel to give up land gained in 1967 borders, is actually undermining peace and relationships with our strongest ally in the region… He was roundly rejected by Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu – NOT GOOD for America)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel has a right to exist for one it is a God given right..and the Palestinians never had a state to begin with. They never existed until Arafat&#8230;they are mostly Jordanians in the first place&#8230;the are treated more fairly then any Jew in a Muslim country&#8230;and I for one am totally in agreement with Israel and her right to exist<br />
. In 1948 Palestinians offered land also but refused, they went mainly to Jordan at the time… today they’re encroaching into Israel (as the good guys) – Gaza Strip, West Bank, East Jerusalem &amp; Golan Heights – only democracy… surrounded by hostile neighbors everywhere outnumbered 50 to 1, 650 to 1 in land mass and vowing Israel’s extermination (Pres. Obama May 20th speech pressuring Israel to give up land gained in 1967 borders, is actually undermining peace and relationships with our strongest ally in the region… He was roundly rejected by Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu – NOT GOOD for America)</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart Mills</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stewart Mills]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Alan,

Thank you for your perspective.

Could I just add some further information for your consideration.

The Security Council did consider the UN  General Assembly Partition Plan in March 1948 and by a majority (led by the US) rejected (or at the least suspended) the General Assembly partition plan as it endangered international peace and security. The Security Council instead recalled a Special Session of the General Assembly to meet in April and May 1948. The US proposed placing Palestine under UN trusteeship. The Jewish Agency was outraged and decided that they would create a Jewish state whether or not they had the United Nations support. They did this on 14 May 1948.

http://unitednationstrusteeshippalestine1948.blogspot.com/
http://palestineisraeltrusteeship.blogspot.com/

SECURITY COUNCIL OFFICIAL RECORDS, 3RD YEAR : 271ST MEETING, 19 MARCH 1948, LAKE SUCCESS, NEW YORK
S/PV271

Mr Austin (United States):

In addition, my Government believes that a temporary trusteeship for Palestine should be established under the Trusteeship Council of the United Nations to maintain the peace and to afford the Jews and Arabs of Palestine, who must live together, further opportunity to reach an agreement regarding the future government of that country…In our opinion, the Security Council should recommend the establishment of such a trusteeship to the General Assembly and to the Mandatory Power. This would require an immediate special session of the General Assembly, which the Security Council should instruct the Palestine Commission to suspend its efforts to implement the proposed partition plan. (p. 167)

[Rabbi Silver replaced Mr Shertok at the Council table as representative of the Jewish Agency for Palestine.]

Rabbi Silver (Jewish Agency for Palestine): (p. 168)

The proposal of the United States Government to suspend all efforts to implement the partition plan approved by the United Nations General Assembly last November, under the leadership of the United States, and to establish a temporary trusteeship for Palestine, is a shocking reversal of its position…We are at an utter loss to understand the reason for this amazing reversal…We can only assume from the statement of the United States delegation that the reason for scrapping a decision of the United Nations General Assembly, overwhelmingly approved by its members, was the threat on the part of some Member States to alter that decision by violence…It should be clear to everyone that the establishment of a trusteeship by the United Nations in Palestine will not automatically ensure peace in that country, and that force will have to be used to maintain that arrangement, just as it would have been necessary to carry out the partition decision of the United Nations (p. 169).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alan,</p>
<p>Thank you for your perspective.</p>
<p>Could I just add some further information for your consideration.</p>
<p>The Security Council did consider the UN  General Assembly Partition Plan in March 1948 and by a majority (led by the US) rejected (or at the least suspended) the General Assembly partition plan as it endangered international peace and security. The Security Council instead recalled a Special Session of the General Assembly to meet in April and May 1948. The US proposed placing Palestine under UN trusteeship. The Jewish Agency was outraged and decided that they would create a Jewish state whether or not they had the United Nations support. They did this on 14 May 1948.</p>
<p><a href="http://unitednationstrusteeshippalestine1948.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://unitednationstrusteeshippalestine1948.blogspot.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://palestineisraeltrusteeship.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://palestineisraeltrusteeship.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>SECURITY COUNCIL OFFICIAL RECORDS, 3RD YEAR : 271ST MEETING, 19 MARCH 1948, LAKE SUCCESS, NEW YORK<br />
S/PV271</p>
<p>Mr Austin (United States):</p>
<p>In addition, my Government believes that a temporary trusteeship for Palestine should be established under the Trusteeship Council of the United Nations to maintain the peace and to afford the Jews and Arabs of Palestine, who must live together, further opportunity to reach an agreement regarding the future government of that country…In our opinion, the Security Council should recommend the establishment of such a trusteeship to the General Assembly and to the Mandatory Power. This would require an immediate special session of the General Assembly, which the Security Council should instruct the Palestine Commission to suspend its efforts to implement the proposed partition plan. (p. 167)</p>
<p>[Rabbi Silver replaced Mr Shertok at the Council table as representative of the Jewish Agency for Palestine.]</p>
<p>Rabbi Silver (Jewish Agency for Palestine): (p. 168)</p>
<p>The proposal of the United States Government to suspend all efforts to implement the partition plan approved by the United Nations General Assembly last November, under the leadership of the United States, and to establish a temporary trusteeship for Palestine, is a shocking reversal of its position…We are at an utter loss to understand the reason for this amazing reversal…We can only assume from the statement of the United States delegation that the reason for scrapping a decision of the United Nations General Assembly, overwhelmingly approved by its members, was the threat on the part of some Member States to alter that decision by violence…It should be clear to everyone that the establishment of a trusteeship by the United Nations in Palestine will not automatically ensure peace in that country, and that force will have to be used to maintain that arrangement, just as it would have been necessary to carry out the partition decision of the United Nations (p. 169).</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Cady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;A suggestion; how about they take up residence in the homes of &gt;Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab countries. Those Jewish &gt;refugees were more numerous than the Palestinian ones and lost &gt;land equivalent to 100,000 sq km - 4 times the size of Israel.

Alan Hart, Is there an independent assessment of the extent of the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from various Middle Eastern countries around the founding of Isreal?

Jon Stewart, at The Daily Show,  mentioned this in his recent interview of Anna Baltzer and Dr. Barghouti. I have heard it mentioned before, but never with specific references/citations. I guess this would be complex to assemble, given language barriers and the multinational nature of the events.

Brian Cady]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;A suggestion; how about they take up residence in the homes of &gt;Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab countries. Those Jewish &gt;refugees were more numerous than the Palestinian ones and lost &gt;land equivalent to 100,000 sq km &#8211; 4 times the size of Israel.</p>
<p>Alan Hart, Is there an independent assessment of the extent of the ethnic cleansing of Jewish people from various Middle Eastern countries around the founding of Isreal?</p>
<p>Jon Stewart, at The Daily Show,  mentioned this in his recent interview of Anna Baltzer and Dr. Barghouti. I have heard it mentioned before, but never with specific references/citations. I guess this would be complex to assemble, given language barriers and the multinational nature of the events.</p>
<p>Brian Cady</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Koppers

I did NOT assert that Israel had kidnapped Alan Johnston.  My relevant posts on the matter were:

If Alan Johnston is dead, who, really, was responsible? http://www.alanhart.net/if-alan-johnston-is-dead-who-really-was-responsible/

Reflections on Alan Johnston&#039;s Kidnapping and Release http://www.alanhart.net/reflections-on-alan-johnstons-kidnapping-and-release/

As to your other comment... I prefer the documented truth of history to Zionism&#039;s propaganda version.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Koppers</p>
<p>I did NOT assert that Israel had kidnapped Alan Johnston.  My relevant posts on the matter were:</p>
<p>If Alan Johnston is dead, who, really, was responsible? <a href="http://www.alanhart.net/if-alan-johnston-is-dead-who-really-was-responsible/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alanhart.net/if-alan-johnston-is-dead-who-really-was-responsible/</a></p>
<p>Reflections on Alan Johnston&#8217;s Kidnapping and Release <a href="http://www.alanhart.net/reflections-on-alan-johnstons-kidnapping-and-release/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alanhart.net/reflections-on-alan-johnstons-kidnapping-and-release/</a></p>
<p>As to your other comment&#8230; I prefer the documented truth of history to Zionism&#8217;s propaganda version.</p>
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		<title>By: Koppers</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr Hart
I find it rather curious, nay comical, that you accuse me of being brainwashed. Did or did you not make the risible assertion that Alan Johnston was kidnapped by Israel and not by Palestinian extremists?

As for the Palestinian refugees, they will not be returning to Israel and I very much doubt that when a Palestinian state is established they will be absorbed into it. A suggestion; how about they take up residence in the homes of Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab countries. Those Jewish refugees were more numerous than the Palestinian ones and lost land equivalent to 100,000 sq km - 4 times the size of Israel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Hart<br />
I find it rather curious, nay comical, that you accuse me of being brainwashed. Did or did you not make the risible assertion that Alan Johnston was kidnapped by Israel and not by Palestinian extremists?</p>
<p>As for the Palestinian refugees, they will not be returning to Israel and I very much doubt that when a Palestinian state is established they will be absorbed into it. A suggestion; how about they take up residence in the homes of Jews ethnically cleansed from Arab countries. Those Jewish refugees were more numerous than the Palestinian ones and lost land equivalent to 100,000 sq km &#8211; 4 times the size of Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Nile</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent and an articulate analysis.  Political will from the voting masses can put pressure on our Western Governments.  This extreme kind of &quot;Bullying&quot; and &quot;harassment&quot; from the Israeli Government has to be countered just as strongly if not more so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent and an articulate analysis.  Political will from the voting masses can put pressure on our Western Governments.  This extreme kind of &#8220;Bullying&#8221; and &#8220;harassment&#8221; from the Israeli Government has to be countered just as strongly if not more so.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ivan,
 
You&#039;re right about one thing. Israel neither needs nor seeks my approval. What it does need, and seeks with increasing desperation, is the legitimacy that only the dispossessed and ethnically cleansed Palestinians can give it. That&#039;s according to international law, but I imagine, correct if I&#039;m wrong, that you share Zionism&#039;s contempt for it.
 
You say that my view of the &quot;Palestine/Israel issue&quot; is &quot;completely devoid of reality&quot;.  I&#039;ll reply in kind. I think you are so brainwashed by Zionism&#039;s propaganda that you wouldn&#039;t recognise reality if it knocked you down in the street.
 
Best wishes,
 
Alan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ivan,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about one thing. Israel neither needs nor seeks my approval. What it does need, and seeks with increasing desperation, is the legitimacy that only the dispossessed and ethnically cleansed Palestinians can give it. That&#8217;s according to international law, but I imagine, correct if I&#8217;m wrong, that you share Zionism&#8217;s contempt for it.</p>
<p>You say that my view of the &#8220;Palestine/Israel issue&#8221; is &#8220;completely devoid of reality&#8221;.  I&#8217;ll reply in kind. I think you are so brainwashed by Zionism&#8217;s propaganda that you wouldn&#8217;t recognise reality if it knocked you down in the street.</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Alan</p>
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		<title>By: Koppers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Koppers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr Hart

Israel is a reality that neither needs nor seeks your approval. The armistice lines of 1948 (otherwise known as the 1967 borders) never have been and never will be the borders between Israel and Palestine. There will never be a single bi-national state because the Palestinians don&#039;t want one and the neither do the Israelis.

Your view of the Palestine/Israel issue is completely devoid of reality.

Regards
Ivan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Hart</p>
<p>Israel is a reality that neither needs nor seeks your approval. The armistice lines of 1948 (otherwise known as the 1967 borders) never have been and never will be the borders between Israel and Palestine. There will never be a single bi-national state because the Palestinians don&#8217;t want one and the neither do the Israelis.</p>
<p>Your view of the Palestine/Israel issue is completely devoid of reality.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Ivan</p>
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