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		<title>By: ontogram</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2014 20:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Howard 
First, everyone has a good time in Israel.  So what? People have a good time at Disneyland, too. 

SEcond, the &quot;Jewish State&quot; is corrupted through and through.  The sign is the corruption of language &quot;present absentee&quot; &quot;unrecognized village&quot;  &quot;disputed territories&quot; &quot;democracy&quot;  These are all ridiculous circumlocutions regularly in play in Israel. 

&quot;The Jewish State has not wronged the Palestinians.&quot;  If this were true, then land theft, property theft, torture and murder are not &quot;wrongs.&quot;  The Jewish State and the Jewish people, including you and me presumably, have grievously wronged an innocent people for the purpose of taking their patrimony from them.  If ever a people had the RIGHT to hate another, if ever ever, the Palestinians have the right to hate Jews.  And yet they do not.  They want justice, not revenge.  If Jews can extort money from European governments ala holocaust, then Pals have claim to huge reparations for their suffering.  Jewish money should be paying this, not building settlements housing ugly supremacists and racists.  

I would say you are little slow on the upbeat here.  I would say this, but I suspect you are not a person, as such, but some hack hired to push back as best you can. 

BTW -- the Israel you enjoyed and inspired you (false feelings) was built on stolen property.  It is not biblical Israel, but a racist piece of dung, an embarrassment to Judaism.  I predict it, not guys like me, will destroy Judaism because Zionism is incompatible with Judaism, or least a universalist interpretation of Judaism, the only kind that should survive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Howard<br />
First, everyone has a good time in Israel.  So what? People have a good time at Disneyland, too. </p>
<p>SEcond, the &#8220;Jewish State&#8221; is corrupted through and through.  The sign is the corruption of language &#8220;present absentee&#8221; &#8220;unrecognized village&#8221;  &#8220;disputed territories&#8221; &#8220;democracy&#8221;  These are all ridiculous circumlocutions regularly in play in Israel. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Jewish State has not wronged the Palestinians.&#8221;  If this were true, then land theft, property theft, torture and murder are not &#8220;wrongs.&#8221;  The Jewish State and the Jewish people, including you and me presumably, have grievously wronged an innocent people for the purpose of taking their patrimony from them.  If ever a people had the RIGHT to hate another, if ever ever, the Palestinians have the right to hate Jews.  And yet they do not.  They want justice, not revenge.  If Jews can extort money from European governments ala holocaust, then Pals have claim to huge reparations for their suffering.  Jewish money should be paying this, not building settlements housing ugly supremacists and racists.  </p>
<p>I would say you are little slow on the upbeat here.  I would say this, but I suspect you are not a person, as such, but some hack hired to push back as best you can. </p>
<p>BTW &#8212; the Israel you enjoyed and inspired you (false feelings) was built on stolen property.  It is not biblical Israel, but a racist piece of dung, an embarrassment to Judaism.  I predict it, not guys like me, will destroy Judaism because Zionism is incompatible with Judaism, or least a universalist interpretation of Judaism, the only kind that should survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2014 05:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Davey Wavey,  I am very disappointed and saddened by all the terrible things you&#039;ve said about Zionism, Jewish people, the Jewish religion, etc.  I was enjoying your videos on YouTube and will no longer watch them because you are such an ignorant obnoxious fool.  Too bad you couldn&#039;t stick to gay issues which may be something you know about.  Obviously, you know nothing about Judaism and Zionism.  I love them both.  I am Jewish but not a practicing Jew but I visited Israel for the first time last year and had a wonderful and inspiring trip.  The Palestinian leadership is the most corrupt and evil group on the planet and they have wronged their people.  The Jewish State has not wronged the Palestinians.  I&#039;m sure there are some nice Palestinian people who would truly like peace but most hate the Jews and Israel just as you do.  It is sad to me that someone who is as entertaining as you had to vocalize such horrible thoughts and incorrect theories just because you know about body building and think you know about gay issues.  You are a terrible ignoramus and it saddens me to have to say this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davey Wavey,  I am very disappointed and saddened by all the terrible things you&#8217;ve said about Zionism, Jewish people, the Jewish religion, etc.  I was enjoying your videos on YouTube and will no longer watch them because you are such an ignorant obnoxious fool.  Too bad you couldn&#8217;t stick to gay issues which may be something you know about.  Obviously, you know nothing about Judaism and Zionism.  I love them both.  I am Jewish but not a practicing Jew but I visited Israel for the first time last year and had a wonderful and inspiring trip.  The Palestinian leadership is the most corrupt and evil group on the planet and they have wronged their people.  The Jewish State has not wronged the Palestinians.  I&#8217;m sure there are some nice Palestinian people who would truly like peace but most hate the Jews and Israel just as you do.  It is sad to me that someone who is as entertaining as you had to vocalize such horrible thoughts and incorrect theories just because you know about body building and think you know about gay issues.  You are a terrible ignoramus and it saddens me to have to say this.</p>
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		<title>By: Vera Gottlieb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vera Gottlieb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 15:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the ethnic cleansing continues to this very day. Repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it: no wrong is being inflicted upon Palestinians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the ethnic cleansing continues to this very day. Repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it: no wrong is being inflicted upon Palestinians.</p>
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		<title>By: Davey Wavey</title>
		<link>http://www.alanhart.net/jewish-atonement-but-not-for-zionisms-crimes-against-the-palestinians/comment-page-1/#comment-52479</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Davey Wavey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No - it&#039;s not stupid.  The policy of the Jewish &quot;return&quot; is stupid and that is what this program could show.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No &#8211; it&#8217;s not stupid.  The policy of the Jewish &#8220;return&#8221; is stupid and that is what this program could show.</p>
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		<title>By: maryam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maryam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 21:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because it is a stupid idea. That&#039;s why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because it is a stupid idea. That&#8217;s why.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Davey Wavey:  Hah!  That has been my solution to the problem for years.  Mass conversion and assume ownership.  They could call themselves conversos, but of course the Zionists would call them Marranos.

The problem is, what Rabbi would convert them unless they could find one who is a converso him/herself?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Davey Wavey:  Hah!  That has been my solution to the problem for years.  Mass conversion and assume ownership.  They could call themselves conversos, but of course the Zionists would call them Marranos.</p>
<p>The problem is, what Rabbi would convert them unless they could find one who is a converso him/herself?</p>
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		<title>By: Davey Wavey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Davey Wavey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The weight of conversion among the Jewish people as an ethnicity over the centuries is controversial at this point.  Some scholars claim the ethnicity is skewed by many more AND MUCH EARLIER conversions than other scholars.   

How does Israel decide if one is Jewish?  They look at the antecedents which is the primary route to citizenship among immigrants I am sure.  Conversion has to be a distant second, if that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The weight of conversion among the Jewish people as an ethnicity over the centuries is controversial at this point.  Some scholars claim the ethnicity is skewed by many more AND MUCH EARLIER conversions than other scholars.   </p>
<p>How does Israel decide if one is Jewish?  They look at the antecedents which is the primary route to citizenship among immigrants I am sure.  Conversion has to be a distant second, if that.</p>
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		<title>By: Davey Wavey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Davey Wavey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@maryam  Ha Ha!  No need to get snooty!  I wasn&#039;t sure if you meant to suggest that conversion would not be &quot;fashionable&quot; today or that it slows by virtue of the heavy moral issues raised by Zionism.  

I know its not earth-shaking but the oxymoron of the phrases I set out hit me as a surprise, I mean the surprise was, to me, that they were so completely transparent.  Do you or anyone here have any sense of that transparency or is someone going to quibble about the fine points?  It&#039;s just so obvious and unacceptable one wonders why anyone tolerated this doubletalk at all or continues to tolerate it, 

If a convert can make aliyah, then why don&#039;t at least some Palestinians (a good number) convert officially and claim citizenship? Conversion would then bring with it the right of return.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@maryam  Ha Ha!  No need to get snooty!  I wasn&#8217;t sure if you meant to suggest that conversion would not be &#8220;fashionable&#8221; today or that it slows by virtue of the heavy moral issues raised by Zionism.  </p>
<p>I know its not earth-shaking but the oxymoron of the phrases I set out hit me as a surprise, I mean the surprise was, to me, that they were so completely transparent.  Do you or anyone here have any sense of that transparency or is someone going to quibble about the fine points?  It&#8217;s just so obvious and unacceptable one wonders why anyone tolerated this doubletalk at all or continues to tolerate it, </p>
<p>If a convert can make aliyah, then why don&#8217;t at least some Palestinians (a good number) convert officially and claim citizenship? Conversion would then bring with it the right of return.</p>
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		<title>By: maryam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maryam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure what I mean?  Was I writing in Chinese?  I was talking about converting to Judaism.  The religion.  Becoming a Jew by choice.  I was not saying anything about zionism.

Yes, Jewish converts can make aliyah.  All they need is a document from their rabbi attesting to their conversion.  Don&#039;t you understand that many Israelis are either converts or the descendants of converts?

My best friend is a Jewish convert, and is also one of the most dedicated anti-zionist activists I know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what I mean?  Was I writing in Chinese?  I was talking about converting to Judaism.  The religion.  Becoming a Jew by choice.  I was not saying anything about zionism.</p>
<p>Yes, Jewish converts can make aliyah.  All they need is a document from their rabbi attesting to their conversion.  Don&#8217;t you understand that many Israelis are either converts or the descendants of converts?</p>
<p>My best friend is a Jewish convert, and is also one of the most dedicated anti-zionist activists I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Davey Wavey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Davey Wavey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 16:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Maryam  Not sure what you mean about conversions.  Zionism is (1) utterly reprehensible and offensive to any progressive and (2) nearly inseparable (unfortunately) from Judaism and surely these realizations must affect conversions.  Only religious crazies and uninformed sentimentalists are going to want to identify with Israel and so conversions should be very slow.  

Incidentally, a Jew from anywhere is automatically a citizen of Israel upon election.  Is a converted Jew also covered by this law?

Lastly, and just for fun, I want people to think about the following oxymoron:  &quot;American Zionist,&quot;  &quot;dual loyalty&quot; and &quot;liberal Zionist.&quot;  People tolerate this doubletalk: Americans have been &quot;had&quot;, &quot;snookered&quot;, abused and cheated by these Zionists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maryam  Not sure what you mean about conversions.  Zionism is (1) utterly reprehensible and offensive to any progressive and (2) nearly inseparable (unfortunately) from Judaism and surely these realizations must affect conversions.  Only religious crazies and uninformed sentimentalists are going to want to identify with Israel and so conversions should be very slow.  </p>
<p>Incidentally, a Jew from anywhere is automatically a citizen of Israel upon election.  Is a converted Jew also covered by this law?</p>
<p>Lastly, and just for fun, I want people to think about the following oxymoron:  &#8220;American Zionist,&#8221;  &#8220;dual loyalty&#8221; and &#8220;liberal Zionist.&#8221;  People tolerate this doubletalk: Americans have been &#8220;had&#8221;, &#8220;snookered&#8221;, abused and cheated by these Zionists.</p>
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