Comments on: “Saving Israel” or assisting it to commit suicide?

By: Steve Meikle

Steve Meikle — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:05:07 +0000

The same old nonsense: if you criticize the Zionist state (I am unwiling to dignify it with the name Israel given the Hebrew meaning of the name – ie Prince of God, I think) you are a racist anti semite. And so must the Prophets of Old be antisemite also for their criticism of the people of Israel make ours pale by comparison. But I digress. Given the above then no criticism of the Zionist state is valid, so it can only be the Arabs at fault.

This nonsense is so transparent yet millions are taken in by it

As for myself I have a lot of sympathy for the Neturei Karta people, ultra orthodox religious jews who reject the Zionist state. Thus I am aware of the difference between Jew and Zionist.

And I flatly refuse the line that to be a christian i must be a full fledged zionist.

It is never love to indulge the evil of a group or make excuses for that group. But this is what the Christian Zionists do, and what I tended to do until i took another look at the Law of God

By: victor kozaski

victor kozaski — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:51:52 +0000

the only peacefully solution in the middle east , is in israeli hands and the usa. if booth of them don,t find a commun denominator , we as human will suffer consequence inraparable for future generation , not enough to write and bring article to the world , we are supoust to get united to bring peace in that region , it is not zionism the issue is what it represent for the american imperialism , they will use zionism until they wont have any need from them , they are using them for there imperial porpose , and they are doing a good job

By: chris

chris — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:43:36 +0000

Trivial slip: When you write “Gordis is also in doubt that Israel will have to attack Iran” you presumably mean to say “…is in no doubt…”

By: William Bell

William Bell — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:52:53 +0000

Modern Zionism in its defiance of international laws behaves much like Daniel’s “little horn” (Old Covenant Zionism, Dan. 7:8, 25-26), who because of persecution against innocent Christians (Dan. 7:21-22) (ancient Palestinians) and the shedding of their innocent blood (Christ and his Apostles, Matt. 23:32-38) eventually lost favor with the Romans after growing more defiant against the world powers in their last days leading up to A.D 70, which resulted in their destruction and exile, Lk. 21:20-22, 32; Matt. 24:2f).

Could it be possible that history could repeat itself again in modern day Zionism and that the usurpers may fall due to their own arrogance? Further, and from a Biblical perspective, this shows just how deluded and far removed from the Bible “Christian Zionists” and the Dispensational movement is for supporting the Israelis and their inhumane crimes against the Palestinians even to the point of glee among some.

I would hope that the religious Jews who oppose Zionism are not punished for the sins of the Zionists, especially since they have been very vocal and actively demonstrative against the deception. While these comments are primarily biblically oriented, it is because many Zionist supporters in America are “Christian Zionists” who support Israel based on misapplied and misunderstood passages of the Bible which they erroneously believe is the fulfillment of Bible prophecy. But prophecy aside consider:

These six things the Lord hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:

A proud look,
A lying tongue
Hands that shed innocent blood
A heart that devises wicked plans
Feet that are swift in running to evil
A false witness who speaks lies
And one who sows discord among his brethren, (Pro. 6:17-19)

There is no doubt Israel has done all these things against the Palestinians.

To commit them is one thing.
To refuse to repent [of the crimes] in defiance of international laws is another.
But to support this refusal to repent in the name of God as “Christian Zionists” /Dispensationalists do, is the “8th abomination.”

By: Cautious

Cautious — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:46:54 +0000

The Jewish Ledger report, by someone described as “a retired oil company executive,” paraphrases Gordon, it does not directly quote him. You have turned the paraphrases into quotations. In fairness to Gordis, you should make a note of that.

By: Noogan

Noogan — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:34:53 +0000

Americans are colluding in the crimes against humanity committed by Israel. Why do we allow our own elected representatives to continue to support it? We’re no better than the Germans who denied their own complicity in the Holocaust, by keeping silent. Thank you for this site. Americans: Find out about your own representative and speak out against their collusion and complicity; Demand that they stop taking money from lobbies which support it; lend support to organizations that are boycotting Israeli products.

By: Mary

Mary — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:26:39 +0000

I think Gordis’, and many other fanatical Zionists’, ploy is to try to actually equate Judaism with Zionism in the minds of the general public, i.e., the only good Jew is a Zionist Jew. By doing this, they hope those non-Zionist Jews will embrace Zionism to protect Judaism from being wiped off the face of the earth. However, this is going to backfire; if they align themselves with Zionists, they are due to experience a significant rise in anti-Semitism throughout the world. Innocent Jews will suffer the consequences of what Zionists have done.

Israel touts everything as an existential threat, whether it is Iran’s nuclear program, Hamas’ little rockets or the J Street Lobby in Washington. They find existential threats everywhere they look, and this is a much more dangerous mentality than anything I’ve seen from even Kim Jong Il.

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By: Chris Edwards

Chris Edwards — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:50:18 +0000

Another good post Alan. Gordis is definitely clinically mad.

Your readers may also be interested in a video of recent public meeting at Manchester University at which ANC and COSATU leaders (currently touring Britain) spoke about the parallels between Israel and Apartheid South Africa. They argued that Israel’s oppression of the Palestinians is WORSE than Apartheid South Africa. See the video of the whole meeting at;

http://manchesterstopwar.org/reports-activities/678-video-anc-and-cosatu-leaders-speak-about-sanctions-against-israel.html

By: Amir Fahmi

Amir Fahmi — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:11:18 +0000

The Islamic terrorism is a ploy to deflect world’s negative opinion on the illegal state called Israel. In fact, Jewish terrorists killed many British officers in Palestine and the British Government fail to bring the matters to the British public.

If Israel do attack Iran, American military personnel will go home in coffins, so Americans needs to wake up and warn the Zionists that their young men & women in uniform are not expendedable for Israel.