Some people are truly, authentically anti-Semitic. The way some people are pro-Trump.

I’ve known people who simply sneer at Jews. Being a NYer, it rattles me when I go out of town and hear some of those epithets tossed into conversations and jokes. I even had a boyfriend from Iran who replied, when I asked him how he felt about the Holocaust, “It never happened.” One of your commenters here says he’s never known anyone like that. I’ve known plenty. Present them w/ facts and you hit a brick wall. There’s no talking to these Holocaust deniers about people of the Jewish faith.

And yet, there are these OTHER people … who are completely irrational, in the same way some Trump adoring citizens are completely irrational.

I have a friend who is wealthy and diagnosed w/ schizophrenia and psychosis. She believes her Jewish doctor tried to kill her, and that a legitimate lawsuit involving her personal injury is being buried by people w/names like Schneiderman, Cohen, Silverman … and a hospital known until recently as L.I. Jewish Hospital. Naturally, she’s gone thru lawyers who freak out when she blurts out these things.

She’s not anti-Semitic. She has friends who are Jewish. She trusts and gets help from people who are Jewish. She closes down when I try to temper her communications w/people who will never understand that she isn’t a Nazi. But I know her well. And they don’t.

There should be a DSM diagnosis for this. It’s definitely a hiccup in the brain that should be recognized as mental impairment. Meantime, this woman needs a lawyer, and no one will touch her case w/ a 10 foot pole, anymore.

Great to read this. Maybe it will go somewhere someday.

Thanks for some good, thought-provoking stuff here and in previous comments.

I’d like to invite you and other J-sceptical (ie ‘the official narrative is absurd and always a cover for a hidden agenda’) contributers to consider involvement with Wikispooks. It’s 3 years old now; maintains systematic publicly downloadable backups; and could do with more contributors. It especially needs much work to counter the systematic pro-Zionist/Judaic biases of Wikipedia.

Commenting on blogs – or even maintaining one’s own – has its attractions, but it seems to me that, to build a viable, accessible, long-term corpus of fundamentally establishment-sceptic information requires something more wikipedia-like – but with a fundamentally different editorial policy. That is what Wikispooks is aiming at.

Btw, I am partly Jewish but in a very modern way: only after my grandfather died did any of his family members learn of his Jewish ancestry since he chose never to tell his wife or only child, my mother, of it. We learned after his death. And secrecy being somewhat his legacy, my mother never told me until twenty years later that he was the son of a rabbi, making me a rabbi’s great grandson. Still, that makes me an ultra-modern type of part-Jew: one whose J ancestor thoroughly assimilated to the point that I only found out about by accident. Anyway…

What I am thinking is that if most of the received history is mainly false, if there is no hard core racial or geographic origin of the J people, and also if it is still true to say – as I believe – that there definitely are identifiable Jewish traits and Jewish culture, one can say – buddhist style – the Jewishness both exists and does not exist. If so, what is it?

On the outer, historical level, I am beginning to believe that what we have is the first post-flood modern, urban tribe, or network. Not based on place but rather function and role, and especially at the beginning (probably) on trade of goods and skills between various urban zones. 95% of all people before this century, stayed put. Traders move themselves and their wares from place to place. As such, they have a radically different view of selfhood and life journey than most other people. Moreover, relationships with clients are much more a question of numbers (profit/loss) than heart-related.

In short, they are a modern, non place-based, and non-blood based, tribe. Or using more modern language: a network. As such, they are by definition and function different from the populations they function in. And as a distinct group, they lend themselves to being used by local leadership for things like tax collection, usury etc. which the native population either is not allowed to do (so they can be well controlled) or the leaders don’t want it public knowledge what they are up to, and so on and so forth.

Bottom line: they are partly a creation of the modern world, and also any nefarious lineages in there are also a creation of the larger society (corrupt monarchs, nobility, lazy middle class, complacent peasants etc. etc.) rather than they are a highly self-organised destructive conspiratorial hostile wing bent on destroying.

That can emerge as part of their mentality, but again, if any group gets organised and hostile, just as with a bacterial or other infection in the body, they can only become deadly to the host, so to speak, when that host’s immune system is already compromised. If a society lacks internal virtue or strength (same thing), then negative elements will rise.

I don’t wish to imply that the J factor in our society is necessarily negative. But there are various negative aspects that keep coming up century after century, and it has to do with the fact that they are a ubiquitous but not native population and so they end up (many but of course not all of them) getting involved in things like trade, finance, tax collection etc. which in turn tend to end up over-exploiting native populations until the society as a whole becomes dysfunctional due to over-exuberance in the ‘corruption class’.

J’s get blamed for this again and again. This is partly correct. But they don’t create the corruption, they are a manifestation of corruption in society that depends upon corrupt financial systems and tax collection etc. It was corrupt tax collection, for example, that necessitated the creation of the Magna Carta, whose original clauses 10 & 11 specifically restricted the scope of Jewish financiers (acting under King John with his protection) to sieze the property of nobles in various ways. MC didn’t work in the long run (it was revised without teeth in 1216) and so in the 1290′s Jews were banned from England.

This has nothing to do with antisemitism, rather systemic exploitation of the ruling classes over those they rule, and using transient, non-native trading populations (aka Jews) as their functionaries. Over time, they have blood ties and their own internal culture, religion, rituals, stories etc., but it is not true to think of them as a typical people.

So they are special after all, even though they don’t exist! ‘Chosen (special/different) of God (not of this immediate world/nation/place’ indeed!

Greenstein’s defense of the basic holocaust narrative (even my own) may or may not reflect such supremacism. I can’t say. Greenstein has articulated himself so well in other venues and I respect him much. I too am nobody to push around. Perhaps Greenstein and I both instinctively rise to the defense. Let me say: I truly believe that some vicious genocide took place against Jews, in particular, both in the camps and through mass shootings. That much is true.

In any case, Jews have the reins of power now and this is terrible for both Jews and Gentiles (I am Jewish). The case of Israel has been distorted so badly that it will never ever inhabit the real world of nations. It is now permanently “special” and that can mean some bad things. I personally loath guys like Richard Perle and Wolfowicz and those other neo-con assholes. They are virtually everything I dislike about Jewishness, period.

Hilberg also had a rough time: http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/09hilberg.html

I don’t know what happened 70 years ago, but at this point I know for certain that much of what has been presented as truth or fact is based on lies or shared fantasy – I suspect mainly the latter. People simply believe the story for a whole variety of reasons, but principally because it has become part of the core narrative shaping the world order, and thus our perceived civic reality sphere, the past few decades when Holocaustianity has really gathered steam.

Even if it is all true as its proponents like to believe (and of course we all know that’s impossible which is why the story keeps changing from decade to decade), all the many lies told in sworn depositions have gone unpunished, the falsely murdered German victims of such mock trials unacknowledged, their offspring still are taught today false things about what their grandparents and ancestors did, descendants of the Allies are not told what we did in the war which was so atrocious and so on and so on.

Mr. Greenstein seems to think that all that matters is that by challenging WW II atrocity propaganda we are helping Zionists. There is more to the world than Jewish concerns even though they do a good job of skewing much of history to their own narcissistic point of view.

Frankly, I blame all of ‘us’ for letting that happen. Any society which lets a self-separating sub-group come in and gradually take over lacks a certain moral and civic fibre or integrity. The exploitation, though painful, will eventually cause dysfunction at which point we will have a chance to do a better job next time. But meanwhile, it could get very bloody as they rule the roost, as happened with French and Russian revolutions, for example, which in the larger scheme of things is not so very long ago, especially the latter given the mass murders – perpetrated principally by Jews – only ended along with the end of WW II, a few years after the so-called Holocaust is supposed to have ended.

I don’t believe a word that official Jewish spokespersons – like Greenstein – say. Ever. If there is solid evidence, fine. But without it – and there hardly ever is, I won’t believe a word any of these wicked lying crooks say!

Referring to a “witness” like him proofs the lack of knowledge OR respectability!

For the Jewish people, these murders are an overriding historical event. For the rest of the world, it is, as it should be, ANOTHER instance of cruelty born of racism and nationalism, exactly the thing that calls itself “Israel.” I recommend not spending energy denying the Holocaust and rather spending time putting it in perspective and defanging the murderous Zionist montster. That’s my view.

There is one difference you neglect between a “flat earther” and a “holo denier”–we can ascertain through various scientific proofs that the earth is elipsoid, not flat. Thus, we do not have to jail and persecute “tin-foil haters” who believe otherwise. As for the “holo denier”–why do we have to jail and persecute him if the truth is so self evident? I, for one, assume the person using force to crush an idea has something to hide.

Or to put it more simply: ‘even though I cannot provide a clear, consistent narrative, anyone who disagrees with the latest official version is clearly insane.’

Or even more simply: pure ad-hominem!

Actually, there is almost nothing there for deniers to deny. Poor Mr. Greenstein can barely thread his sentences together, making his English look more and more like a second language.

Which perhaps it is…