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		<title>By: WISS</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 May 2013 13:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maggie should not exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie should not exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Meikle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Meikle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obama constrained against doing what is right?

I doubt it. Such a view is far too high and gives him far too much credit.

That man is an empty suit who turned on a friend (Rev Jeremiah Wright) to win votes.

That makes him a whore to the core  like the rest of them.

I mean,  he is too weak to stop the torture?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama constrained against doing what is right?</p>
<p>I doubt it. Such a view is far too high and gives him far too much credit.</p>
<p>That man is an empty suit who turned on a friend (Rev Jeremiah Wright) to win votes.</p>
<p>That makes him a whore to the core  like the rest of them.</p>
<p>I mean,  he is too weak to stop the torture?</p>
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		<title>By: ontogram</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Apr 2013 18:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not like being in the position of defending Obama!  Changing the game in the ME is high risk domestically and he wants to be known for domestic programs.  Personally, he could very well be the Zionist some believe.  He was certainly groomed by Israel Firsters in Chicago.  

@Rehmat  Thanks for the interesting comment on the Iron Lady.  These creatures of the Lobby pick up &quot;the white man&#039;s burden&quot; bringing &quot;stability&quot; and &quot;democracy&quot; to the world in the form of domination and exploitation.  Israel is the fullest expression of Jewish power...yes, Jewish power..and it is hideous indeed.  The Jewish people have created and allowed to be created this racist, exploitative state and should be forced to pay reparations and restitution for the murder and theft.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not like being in the position of defending Obama!  Changing the game in the ME is high risk domestically and he wants to be known for domestic programs.  Personally, he could very well be the Zionist some believe.  He was certainly groomed by Israel Firsters in Chicago.  </p>
<p>@Rehmat  Thanks for the interesting comment on the Iron Lady.  These creatures of the Lobby pick up &#8220;the white man&#8217;s burden&#8221; bringing &#8220;stability&#8221; and &#8220;democracy&#8221; to the world in the form of domination and exploitation.  Israel is the fullest expression of Jewish power&#8230;yes, Jewish power..and it is hideous indeed.  The Jewish people have created and allowed to be created this racist, exploitative state and should be forced to pay reparations and restitution for the murder and theft.</p>
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		<title>By: Rehmat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rehmat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Apr 2013 18:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Thatcher said once that she thought she probably had more constituents in Tel Aviv than in Finchley”.

The British and western leaders and media has turned former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher (1979 to 1990) into a world heroe for her blind support for the Zionist entity and British Jewish lobby groups. The so-called “Iron Lady” died on Monday at age 87. She was the Conservative party leader and first woman prime minister of Britain.

The Israeli and its puppet western leaders have paid glowing tributes to Thatcher for appointing five Jewish cabinet ministers. The 2013 report by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show a Jewish population of 263,376 among the 62.6 million British population.

“She was truly a great leader, a woman of principle, of determination, of conviction, of strength; a woman of greatness,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement Monday. “She was a staunch friend of Israel and the Jewish people. She inspired a generation of political leaders.”

Baronnes Margaret Thatcher, a Zionist Christian and an “Israel Firster” to her last bone – had blamed Barack Obama for throwing Israel under the bus. Israeli columnist Aluf Benn, wrote in Israel daily Ha’aretz (January 30, 2011): “Jimmy Carter will go down in American history as “the president who lost Iran,” which during his term went from being a major strategic ally of the United States (and Israel) to being the revolutionary Islamic Republic. Barack Obama will be remembered as the president who “lost” Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt (all three had pro-Israel governments in the past while both Turkey and Egypt still maintain diplomatic relations with the Zionist regime), and during whose tenure America’s alliances in the Middle East crumbled“.

British prime minister David Cameron called Thatcher a “great Briton”, and the Queen spoke of her sadness at the death. Baroness Thatcher did not have a state funeral but was accorded the same status as Princess Diana and the Queen Mother. The ceremony, with full military honours, took place on Wednesday at London’s St Paul’s Cathedral.

The majority of Englishmen didn’t mourn this mean spirited leader, who re-distributed the wealth from the poorest to the richest in British society, mostly controlled by Jewish Rothschild family empire. An anti-Thatcher song has already hit the No 1 spot in UK pop song charts, even before 24 hours of her death. Watch the video below.

http://rehmat1.com/2013/04/20/jews-glorify-thatcher-for-her-support-for-israel/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Thatcher said once that she thought she probably had more constituents in Tel Aviv than in Finchley”.</p>
<p>The British and western leaders and media has turned former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher (1979 to 1990) into a world heroe for her blind support for the Zionist entity and British Jewish lobby groups. The so-called “Iron Lady” died on Monday at age 87. She was the Conservative party leader and first woman prime minister of Britain.</p>
<p>The Israeli and its puppet western leaders have paid glowing tributes to Thatcher for appointing five Jewish cabinet ministers. The 2013 report by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show a Jewish population of 263,376 among the 62.6 million British population.</p>
<p>“She was truly a great leader, a woman of principle, of determination, of conviction, of strength; a woman of greatness,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement Monday. “She was a staunch friend of Israel and the Jewish people. She inspired a generation of political leaders.”</p>
<p>Baronnes Margaret Thatcher, a Zionist Christian and an “Israel Firster” to her last bone – had blamed Barack Obama for throwing Israel under the bus. Israeli columnist Aluf Benn, wrote in Israel daily Ha’aretz (January 30, 2011): “Jimmy Carter will go down in American history as “the president who lost Iran,” which during his term went from being a major strategic ally of the United States (and Israel) to being the revolutionary Islamic Republic. Barack Obama will be remembered as the president who “lost” Turkey, Lebanon and Egypt (all three had pro-Israel governments in the past while both Turkey and Egypt still maintain diplomatic relations with the Zionist regime), and during whose tenure America’s alliances in the Middle East crumbled“.</p>
<p>British prime minister David Cameron called Thatcher a “great Briton”, and the Queen spoke of her sadness at the death. Baroness Thatcher did not have a state funeral but was accorded the same status as Princess Diana and the Queen Mother. The ceremony, with full military honours, took place on Wednesday at London’s St Paul’s Cathedral.</p>
<p>The majority of Englishmen didn’t mourn this mean spirited leader, who re-distributed the wealth from the poorest to the richest in British society, mostly controlled by Jewish Rothschild family empire. An anti-Thatcher song has already hit the No 1 spot in UK pop song charts, even before 24 hours of her death. Watch the video below.</p>
<p><a href="http://rehmat1.com/2013/04/20/jews-glorify-thatcher-for-her-support-for-israel/" rel="nofollow">http://rehmat1.com/2013/04/20/jews-glorify-thatcher-for-her-support-for-israel/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fakhri</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ontogram.I beg to disagree.If going to war is a little risk, what is real risk, then? Isn&#039;t everybody ruing the day Bush went to war against Iraq in 2003? I agree that Clinton wanted to pressurise Arafat to make very grave concessions to the Israelis on East Jerusalem, and put the blame at his door when he hesitated,although all three-Arafat,Clinton and Barak- were desperate to get something out of it, each for his own reason.But at least Clinton tried and pressed hard; he didn&#039;t mind incensing some Republicans. Besides,the American public was not more sympathetic to the Palestinians than it is now. Quite the contrary.And besides, the American public opinion rarely, if at all, figures out when American presidents make decisions about foreign policy issues.G W Bush and Tony Blair went to invade Iraq despite the fact that New York and Washington and London were teeming with anti-war demonstrations.But,at least, all Obama&#039;s predecessors had the spines to go for what they believed in. If Obama has, as you say, some goodwill towards the Palestinians, he would still have good four years to show it.My gut feeling is, he wouldn&#039;t.His trip yo the Middle East was such a waste. He culd have made a tele-address to Israeli teenagers from his, is it south lawn?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ontogram.I beg to disagree.If going to war is a little risk, what is real risk, then? Isn&#8217;t everybody ruing the day Bush went to war against Iraq in 2003? I agree that Clinton wanted to pressurise Arafat to make very grave concessions to the Israelis on East Jerusalem, and put the blame at his door when he hesitated,although all three-Arafat,Clinton and Barak- were desperate to get something out of it, each for his own reason.But at least Clinton tried and pressed hard; he didn&#8217;t mind incensing some Republicans. Besides,the American public was not more sympathetic to the Palestinians than it is now. Quite the contrary.And besides, the American public opinion rarely, if at all, figures out when American presidents make decisions about foreign policy issues.G W Bush and Tony Blair went to invade Iraq despite the fact that New York and Washington and London were teeming with anti-war demonstrations.But,at least, all Obama&#8217;s predecessors had the spines to go for what they believed in. If Obama has, as you say, some goodwill towards the Palestinians, he would still have good four years to show it.My gut feeling is, he wouldn&#8217;t.His trip yo the Middle East was such a waste. He culd have made a tele-address to Israeli teenagers from his, is it south lawn?</p>
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		<title>By: ontogram</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2013 00:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@le  You may be right.  I have been disappointed so many times by him.  And now, Americans face this Social Security cut ... it appears he is just another power guy with no charisma and nothing to offer. Anti-Zionists and Blacks and Latinos and Americans should all be pissed off with him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@le  You may be right.  I have been disappointed so many times by him.  And now, Americans face this Social Security cut &#8230; it appears he is just another power guy with no charisma and nothing to offer. Anti-Zionists and Blacks and Latinos and Americans should all be pissed off with him.</p>
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		<title>By: le</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sorry ontogram, I disagree

As an empathetic man he is a supporter of Palestinian rights

As a political leader and patriot he wants to see an end to the occupation, permanent peace and a Palestinian state, as that is in the interest of the USA.

But in his heart, I believe he is a Zionist.
As an American black man who came of age in the later half of the twentienth century, it is not as suprising as it may seem at first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry ontogram, I disagree</p>
<p>As an empathetic man he is a supporter of Palestinian rights</p>
<p>As a political leader and patriot he wants to see an end to the occupation, permanent peace and a Palestinian state, as that is in the interest of the USA.</p>
<p>But in his heart, I believe he is a Zionist.<br />
As an American black man who came of age in the later half of the twentienth century, it is not as suprising as it may seem at first.</p>
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		<title>By: ontogram</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 20:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@le  Very good.  Yes, he went out of his way on this one to endorse the Zionist narrative, the farce of Israel&#039;s founding, etc.  He certainly was playing to a domestic constituency.  Not only did he not risk spending his political capital, he actively sought to enhance that capital stock.

@Fahkri  I don&#039;t think the instances you cite were very risky.  Practical politics, as you identify, only allows little steps and little risks.  If the American public were ready to understand IP and sympathize with Palestinians, it would THEN be brave for Obama to take the step of endorsing that narrative and demanding justice.  (Clinton didn&#039;t empathize with Arafat at all and blamed him for not willingly becoming a vassal state of Israel.)  We all know that Obama HAD THE POLITICAL CAPITAL and we all hoped he would use it on IP, but he judged otherwise.  I don&#039;t commend him for this (I&#039;d rather have Palestine free that US universal healthcare!) but I understand the choice he made. That Obama doesn&#039;t exude integrity doesn&#039;t necessarily mean he is bereft, even though many intimate reports suggest just that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@le  Very good.  Yes, he went out of his way on this one to endorse the Zionist narrative, the farce of Israel&#8217;s founding, etc.  He certainly was playing to a domestic constituency.  Not only did he not risk spending his political capital, he actively sought to enhance that capital stock.</p>
<p>@Fahkri  I don&#8217;t think the instances you cite were very risky.  Practical politics, as you identify, only allows little steps and little risks.  If the American public were ready to understand IP and sympathize with Palestinians, it would THEN be brave for Obama to take the step of endorsing that narrative and demanding justice.  (Clinton didn&#8217;t empathize with Arafat at all and blamed him for not willingly becoming a vassal state of Israel.)  We all know that Obama HAD THE POLITICAL CAPITAL and we all hoped he would use it on IP, but he judged otherwise.  I don&#8217;t commend him for this (I&#8217;d rather have Palestine free that US universal healthcare!) but I understand the choice he made. That Obama doesn&#8217;t exude integrity doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean he is bereft, even though many intimate reports suggest just that.</p>
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		<title>By: le</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 12:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was very suprised when Obama announced his trip to Israel.
With the election over he no longer needed to pander for the Jewish vote 
The Democrats in congress are going to support him and his agenda even absent a trip to Israel. The Republican&#039;s are not going to cooperate in any meaningful way with him regardless of how much he supports Israel. With no new proposals or initiatives to offer he knew the trip would not produce any benefits in terms of peace or help for the Palestinians. If he had something important to tell Netanyahu about Iran, he didn&#039;t need a trip to Israel to do it. There really seemed no point to the trip.

What he said in Israel stunned me. 

Yes, he made the speech to the Israel students about empathy with the Palestinians. (That&#039;s not what stunned me and I believe he was sincere about that).
He actually seemed to identify with the Zionist narrative and with Jewish history. His compliments and warm words went above and beyond what was necessary for mere politness and diplomatic niceties. He even mentioned, in a heartfelt way, Jewish support for the civil rights movement in the US, something an Israeli audience could care less about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very suprised when Obama announced his trip to Israel.<br />
With the election over he no longer needed to pander for the Jewish vote<br />
The Democrats in congress are going to support him and his agenda even absent a trip to Israel. The Republican&#8217;s are not going to cooperate in any meaningful way with him regardless of how much he supports Israel. With no new proposals or initiatives to offer he knew the trip would not produce any benefits in terms of peace or help for the Palestinians. If he had something important to tell Netanyahu about Iran, he didn&#8217;t need a trip to Israel to do it. There really seemed no point to the trip.</p>
<p>What he said in Israel stunned me. </p>
<p>Yes, he made the speech to the Israel students about empathy with the Palestinians. (That&#8217;s not what stunned me and I believe he was sincere about that).<br />
He actually seemed to identify with the Zionist narrative and with Jewish history. His compliments and warm words went above and beyond what was necessary for mere politness and diplomatic niceties. He even mentioned, in a heartfelt way, Jewish support for the civil rights movement in the US, something an Israeli audience could care less about.</p>
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		<title>By: Fakhri</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ontogram,
 Understand your reasoning for Obama&#039;s failing the Palestinians and others in their quest.This,I think, is sometimes called &#039;practical politics&#039;. But politics is not always about &#039;practicalities&#039;.At times it does involve taking risks, especially in just causes.History is full of precedents:
The US president wtnt to war in 1940. Was it not for a just cause?
Bill Clinton bombed Serbia in the eighties; was it not for a just
cause?Bush senior massed the whole world against Saddam Hussein before that for the oil. Bush Junior and Tony Blair went to war
against Iraq for nothing just, and started the &#039;Drone war&#039; that
killed far Afghan and Pakistani citizens fifteen-fold what it did among &#039;terrorists&#039;. Obama happily inherited that medium of murder and has even made it his &#039;dear&#039; baby.
 If all those wars were worth taking risk for, isn&#039;t peace not worth taking it? Bill Clinton&#039;s brave approach bringing Arafat and Rabin, and later Arafat and Barak, together-in the very last days of his second term- in a last-ditch attempt at a
breakthrough for peace in the longest-running conflict in the world was commendable. If Obama really had any feelings towards the Palestinians,it would have been opportune to do something;
it still is.But facts speak louder than empty talk.Obama is a bag
of wind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ontogram,<br />
 Understand your reasoning for Obama&#8217;s failing the Palestinians and others in their quest.This,I think, is sometimes called &#8216;practical politics&#8217;. But politics is not always about &#8216;practicalities&#8217;.At times it does involve taking risks, especially in just causes.History is full of precedents:<br />
The US president wtnt to war in 1940. Was it not for a just cause?<br />
Bill Clinton bombed Serbia in the eighties; was it not for a just<br />
cause?Bush senior massed the whole world against Saddam Hussein before that for the oil. Bush Junior and Tony Blair went to war<br />
against Iraq for nothing just, and started the &#8216;Drone war&#8217; that<br />
killed far Afghan and Pakistani citizens fifteen-fold what it did among &#8216;terrorists&#8217;. Obama happily inherited that medium of murder and has even made it his &#8216;dear&#8217; baby.<br />
 If all those wars were worth taking risk for, isn&#8217;t peace not worth taking it? Bill Clinton&#8217;s brave approach bringing Arafat and Rabin, and later Arafat and Barak, together-in the very last days of his second term- in a last-ditch attempt at a<br />
breakthrough for peace in the longest-running conflict in the world was commendable. If Obama really had any feelings towards the Palestinians,it would have been opportune to do something;<br />
it still is.But facts speak louder than empty talk.Obama is a bag<br />
of wind.</p>
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