Are Netanyahu and the Zionist lobby now a threat to the survival of the US-Israel relationship?
Weiss foresees “a breakup of the monolith” (the Zionist not Israeli lobby, I say) “with the Likud and anti-Likud voices in the US establishment battling it out openly – Adelson’s Republicans versus Soros’s Democrats.”
He added:
“We can only hope that Netanyahu’s government will fall over this battle. Because just as American Jews don’t like dual loyalty suspicions – and if called on to choose, they’ll side with the US – Israelis don’t like to be alienated from Uncle Sam. Shamir fell after he took on Bush in ’91. The lobby surely overreached with the Iran war push. As it overreached with the devouring of the West Bank.”
Weiss then supports his own logic by quoting remarks made by TIME‘s Joe Klein on NBC’s This Morning. He was responding to Knesset Deputy Speaker Danny Danon who said that it was absolutely time to attack Iran. While arguing that the Netanyahu government is trying to push the US into a war with Iran that would not serve US or Israeli interests, Klein said:
As for Israel, and the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset and the Prime Minister, I don’t think I’ve ever, in the forty years I’ve been doing this – and I’m trying to search my mind through history – heard of another example of an American ally trying to push us into war as blatantly, and trying to influence an American election as blatantly as Bibi Netanyahu and the Likud party in Israel is doing right now. I think it’s absolutely outrageous and disgusting. It’s not a way that friends treat each other. And it is cynical and it is brazen.
Klein contested Danon’s dismissal of the effectiveness of sanctions and argued that if Iran did make the decision to obtain a nuclear weapon, it would use it as a deterrent and not operationally “unless provoked.”
Weiss then further supports his own logic by quoting remarks made by M.J. Rosenberg, a former AIPAC staffer and for 15 years a lobbyist on Capitol Hill for various Democrat members of the House and Senate.
“The only force in the United States that favors war is AIPAC and its satellite organizations, neoconservative pundits and some Christian rightists… War with Iran could destroy Romney’s presidency and he surely knows it”.
The layout of Weiss’s piece does not make it clear to me whose words the following are – Rosenberg’s or Weiss’s own, but their message is important.
The bottom line then is that all Netanyahu is accomplishing with his ugly saber-rattling is threatening the survival of the US-Israel relationship.
Don’t kid yourself. No matter what Obama says publicly, he is furious with Netanyahu. Privately, it is hard to imagine that even Republicans like seeing the United States being treated with such contempt by a tiny country we sustain with $3.5 billion a year in aid (exempt from all cuts, unlike every other program) and UN vetoes that make America look like Israel’s satellite. The only thing that keeps them all quiet is intimidation and campaign contributions. That won’t last forever, particularly as younger American Jews have moved toward indifference to Israel due to the policies it has pursued since an Israeli fanatic killed Yitzhak Rabin.
My answer to my own headline question is – I hope so.
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Rehmat:
September 14th, 2012 at 11:41 am
“US ambassador Christopher Stevens became a martyr to Zionist attempts to draw the US into war with Iran. His murder was an Israeli ‘false flag operation’,” Henry Makow PhD, Canadian Jewish academic, writer and blogger.
The Zionist-controlled western governments and media has blamed the so-called America-hating Muslims who were protesting against the anti-Islam movie ‘Innocence of Muslims’ produced by an Israeli Zionist Jew. However, it’s not an isolated provocation act carried out by the Jewish lobby groups to demean Islam and Muslims.
The Reuters reported on September 10 that anti-Islam European crusader, Dutch MP Geert Wilders’ many expenses are paid by anti-Muslim Zionist Jews like Daniel Pipes, David Horowitz and Pamela Geller. Geert Wilders.
Last year, a study by the Center for American Progress (CAP) revealed that seven pro-Israel US charitable organization have spent $42.6 million during 2001-2009 to spread hatred toward Islam and Muslims.
The notorious Danish cartoons were also produced by Flemming Rose, a Ukrainian Zionist Jew, the cultural editor of Denmark daily Jyllands-Posten.
Last month, America’s largest internal security sevices, the N.Y. Police Department (NYDP) admitted that during its six years of spying on the Muslim communities of New York and New Jersey (both with country’s largest Jewish population) did not generate one single lead that Muslims were involved in terrorist activities against the United States.
American Jewish writer, author and blogger, Max Blumenthal, claimed in an article in December 2011 – the Israelification of US security apparatus.
The Zionist-occupied western colonial powers are accustomed to demonize Muslims for the crimes of al-Qaeda and other so-called ‘Islamic extremist groups’ – but in reality it’s these western powers who have shared beds with these ‘Islamists’ in Afghanistan, Libya, Morroco, Tunisia, Pakistan and Syria. Last year, the US and its ‘willing-allies’ turn Libya, once known as the “Jewel of Africa” under Qaddafi, into another impoverish Somalia.
http://rehmat1.com/2012/09/12/libya-you-reap-what-you-sow/
Scott Doidge:
September 14th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Interesting article. Would you believe it? Michael Scheuer a former CIA intelligence officer was interviewed on the BBC Radio 4 program PM this afternoon about the continuing turmoil in the Middle East, concerning the controversial film about Islam. I do like this chap, he is very straight forward. He said that “America was now reaping what it had sown, and also that finally, America would be forced out of the Middle East, due to its foreign policy towards Muslims, and of course it’s blind commitment to Zionism”. He was also very disparaging about the so-called Arab Spring, saying openly that “whether Assad of Syria stayed or went did not make one iota of a difference” to him.
The conclusion to be drawn from his argument is, as he rightly pointed out, that America’s security is harmed on a daily basis due to their pro-Zionist foreign policy agenda in the Middle East. He also stated “the reason why America would be driven from the region is due to the fact that they had willingly lost two wars there in a decade” (Afghanistan and Iraq). He pointed out that jihadists from the region were very much emboldened after they forced the Soviets out from Afghanistan.
My advice to the USA, albeit a bit late now: Do what Ron Paul has repeatedly said he would do if elected-get the hell out of the region, and let the bloody Zionists stew in their own juice. Oops, I forgot, there is the small matter of the Zionist lobby. Oh dear, what a mess!
maryam:
September 15th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Rehmat, I am sorry to see you referencing the nutball Henry Makow. Certainly you can do better.
Alan, don’t hold your breath. I was just telling someone yesterday that the bigger problem in Washington is AIPAC’s control of Congress. Netanyahu knows this, too, and all his whining and spewing about how the US must back Israel on an attack on Iran is aimed at them, not at Obama. He recalls fondly how it took the entire Congress less than an hour to condemn the Goldstone Report, and he is confident he will get his way once again. Bibi and Obama loathe each other, so Bibi has no problem with stepping on Obama’s toes and totally mucking up his re-election campaign.
Back in early 2010 you and I had a Skype conversation where we both said the same thing – that Netanyahu is one dangerous man. It’s definitely true, now more than ever. Now it looks as if his arrogance may finally be Israel’s undoing. He is also quite disconnected with reality; a recent poll showed that 59 percent of Americans oppose the US supporting an Israeli attack on Iran, and 70 percent oppose an American-led attack. The only one too stupid to understand the significance of this in an election year seems to be Mitt Romney.
David King:
September 15th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
My answer as well: I hope so.
I am trying to scour my brain to add something to this topic. My knowledge is very poor in this area.
Two points come to mind.
The personal feelings between Obama and Netinyahoo will play no part in what happens.
It is incredible and uplifting to see criticism of ersatz israel in US political circles.
An additional point. Where have US Jewry been? So quiet in the shadows. Though we all have been hoping and wishing, and waiting; they kept silent through all of the war crimes and human rights crimes of zion. When Foreign israel falls; I am suspicious, they will leave those shadows to convince us they were anti zionist all along.
Scott Doidge:
September 15th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
@ David King: “An additional point. Where have US Jewry been?” You know, this is a question that has been plaguing me for a very long time. If they are as liberal and committed to democracy as they claim to be, why no mass protests against what surely amounts to the worst form of colonial abuse since Apartheid, or to be frank, in its cruel brutality, the Soviet regime’s oppression of people in Russia right up to the 1980s? One is left with the distinct suspicion of dual loyalty, or even worse-that they are as ethnocentric as the people living in Israel.
America has paid a very substantial and severe price for its unqualified support of Israel. Chickens coming home to roost?
David King:
September 15th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
@ Scott Doidge
When a person has had a bad experience; it would not be considered uncommon, perhaps nor even unexpected, for such a person to provide sympathy and support to others that they find in similar circumstances. It may even be considered cathartic to do so. In such a light, it could only be considered surprising to find that Jews (not zionists), as an organised group; have been silent over more than sixty years of Human Right and War crimes. Crimes which emulate Jewish historic experiences. Their silence is even more deafening when you consider that these crimes are being committed IN THEIR NAME.
I am aware of course of Jewish individuals that have acted according to their religious, moral and humanitarian beliefs. They have my support and respect. My inquiry concerns US and Global Judaism.
If the connection between Alan’s post and my comment seems unrelated; let me redraw the line.
We are confronted in the article with the possibility of the politicalisation of the US israeli relationship; meaning support for zion will be considered, instead of reflexive. One reason for such a development has been postulated to be US Jewry’s apathy to ersatz israel.
How sad; how very sad; that a religious group, with a proud history spanning thousands of years, with a close knit community, know for their organisational skills; known for their money raising ability; know for their oppresses past; has been reduced to inaction and silence.
Bob Battersby:
September 16th, 2012 at 4:11 am
I doubt much will change. AIPAC and the MIC will cock a snook at Obama, Nethanhahu knowing this will continue to take the mickey like his predecessors did. Perhaps ordinary Jews in the US (and elsewhere)are starting to realise it’s not about them but a power/money/control exercise by a few who have of course sold them down the river just like they have the rest of us. Will these Jews have the courage to come out and let their false saviours know this is not on.
maryam:
September 16th, 2012 at 6:04 am
The key to loosening zionism’s grip on the US government and its policies lies in two things: changing the lobbying laws making it impossible for foreign governments to curry the favors of Congressmen by the use of money and other perks, including campaign contribution, to influence that politician’s votes and actions to favor said foreign government (Israel), and by educating the people as to the extent of the influence Israel has over US politicians. Voters want their own interests addressed by their representative’s, not a foreign country’s.
Another thing that would help is to bar any individual with dual citizenship from holding political office or serving in the military.
Sahab Muzaffarpur India:
September 16th, 2012 at 8:04 am
… and it came out the least as Netanyahu is Satanyahu for the world order!
The analysis is nice and if being written in golden words, would continue to inspire the ‘generations’.
| truthaholics:
September 16th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I think Obomba knows exactly what to do with the shitty little ziocolony in order to try redeem himself as first black man in the white house, both at home and abroad – in order to thwart history labelling him as a craven sycophant to the one percent and Aipac et al … should he get re-elected.
maryam:
September 18th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Some hopeful folks are thinking that after he is re-elected (and he probably will be, in no small part because Mitt Romney is showing himself for the dunderheaded elitist he is) Obama will be free to be less tolerant of Israel and its antics. I don’t think this is true; all presidents tend to remain loyal to the idea of working for the well being of their political parties (with the exception of George W. Bush, who has been wisely silenced by the GOP). Obama will go whichever way the political wind blows, as always.
How unfortunate that he allowed Bibi to appear on US television to insult the world’s Muslims by asking the Americans if they want “those people” (the Muslims) to possess nuclear weapons.
Rehmat:
September 19th, 2012 at 11:28 am
maryam – Sorry to contradict you – Henry Makow PhD is not a “nutball”. Had he been, he would not be hated by the Canadian Jewish lobby groups. As a Canadian myself, I should know Henry better than you think.
Unless you believe Henry’s co-religionist Gilad Atzmon, being a “nutball” also – here is his latest wisdom.
“I have made myself a rule. Whnever I hear a person speak in the name of ‘Jewish values’ or ‘as a Jew’, I immediately seek cover. I suggest you do the same,” Gilad Atzmon, Israeli-born Jewish writer, author, musician and blogger, September 14, 2012.
http://rehmat1.com/2012/09/18/bernard-levy-qaddafi-was-an-enemy-of-israel/
maryam:
September 19th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Makow is a raving misogynistic nutball, hardly any sort of “scholar.” Just because some Jews hate him doesn’t mean we should lend him any measure of legitimacy. http://www.henrymakow.com/borderline_personality_disorde.html
I would be embarrassed if I were caught giving this weirdo any space in any blog I wrote.
nik:
September 24th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
The people who demolished the WTC and managed to keep a lid on it for 10 years and counting will never go away on their own. And no politician will take initiative in exposing them unless forced by public opinion.
Someone said that every nation deserves it’s politicians and I have to agree with that. Politicians are weather vanes – and that is great but only if people care to inform and express themselves.
Else they will bend to the wind of fat cats around them.
maryam:
September 25th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
I doubt the average politician in the US knows who was behind 9/11. No one will know for the next 100 years; and everything people know about 9/11 is probably wrong.
The relationship among the parties of the military-industrial complex are not so simple; why do people think a few rich Jewish families run things, when the notion is simplistic and the stuff of conspiracy theories? Is it because the idea of secret star chambers in which men in expensive suits move us like chess pieces somehow is comforting? Does it make us feel we are no longer responsible for the mess we have made by allowing our democracy to be overrun with corporate and zionist backed puppets? When we were too busy trying to get out of jury duty or didn’t want to take the time to vote in local and state elections, or when we didn’t question the motives of the politicians in their decision to go to war in Vietnam, didn’t it set the tone for the following generation to blow off its duty as citizens, flop down in front of the TV and have another beer?
nik:
September 25th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
A lot of what we know about 9/11 might be wrong, and arguable.
What is beyond any doubt for me is that those buildings did not come down as a result of the planes crashing into them. I knew that from day one as basic logic tells me that a tall symmetrical structure, when hit on one side only cannot collapse in perfect balance.
And now there are thousands of architects and demolition experts around the world confirming this. The volume of good quality information on youtube is swelling.
What scares me in it however, is that people very rarely change their behavior, if ever. If one of the reasons for 9/11 was the desire to scare people into accepting the Patriot Act, and if 9/11 gets close to blowing up in its creators’ faces what is more likely – that they will repent and give up, or that they will do something even more atrocious to scare people out of thinking…
My anticipation is that they will gauge the public opinion to enable them to predict reactions to some extent and make a decision regardless of any moral values we might be hoping they adhere to.
maryam:
September 26th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Personally, I think 9/11 was meant to make Americans frightened enough to accept living in a Fascist state, and to accept the idea of living with perpetual war.
I think also that we will never know the truth about 9/11 in our lifetimes. It’s too easy to blame the neocons, the Israelis, the Rothschilds or the boogeyman; no doubt it’s much more complicated and the only knowledge about 9/11 is either what we have been allowed to know or is wrong.
The campaign to demonize Muslims is diabolical and brilliant, and people all over the world are falling for it like the Twin Towers. The designated enemy is everywhere, its ideology is diametrically opposed to capitalism, there is enough internal disagreement among the Ummah to keep us from fighting back – and Muslims are living where the world’s most valuable natural resources lie.