Dear Abe Foxman,
In your lengthy article Decade of Deceit: Anti-Semitic 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 10 Years Later, you label a number of named writers and commentators including me who say that Israel’s Mossad was or even might have been involved in the 9/11 terror attack as anti-Semitic, and you assert that they are demonizing “the Jews”. You also say: “Anticipating criticism, a number of these anti-Semitic conspiracists now try to immunize themselves against charges of anti-Semitism by making disclaimers up front about not being anti-Semitic. Their own works and record, however, blatantly contradict their innocuous self-characterizations.”
I have to assume that I am one of the “number” in the above quotation because when you introduce at the end of your piece a few sentences of what I have said on the subject of 9/11, you do so with these words: “After pre-emptively trying to dismiss charges of anti-Semitism, Hart asserts…”
I also have to assume that you have not read (surprise! surprise!) my epic book, Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews, three volumes in its American edition (www.claritypress.com). Except those who are brainwashed by Zionist propaganda and deluded to the point of clinical madness, nobody could read this book and conclude that I was anti-Semitic. The first picture in it is of Golda Meir when she was prime minister, inscribed it in her own hand “To a good friend, Alan Hart.” Do you believe, Mr. Foxman, that old lady was so stupid that she couldn’t have seen through me if I was anti-Jew?
As I say in the book and on every public platform on which I speak, THE key to understanding is knowledge of the difference between Judaism and Zionism. Here is how I am going to summarise this difference in a speech in Germany on this September 11.
JUDAISM is the religion of Jews, not “the” Jews because not all Jews are religious. Like Christianity and Islam, Judaism has at its core a set of moral values and ethical principles.
ZIONISM is a sectarian, colonial-like nationalism which created a state for some Jews in the Arab heartland mainly by terrorism and ethnic cleansing, and by doing so demonstrated contempt for, and made a mockery of, Judaism’s moral values and ethical principles. In reality mainstream Judaism and Zionism are total opposites.
I’m also going to wonder aloud how many in my German audience are aware of two particular background facts. One is of that the return of Jews to the land of biblical Israel by the efforts of man – one possible but wholly inadequate definition of Zionism – was proscribed by Judaism. The other is that prior to the obscenity of the Nazi holocaust, the vast majority of Jews everywhere, and especially many eminent American Jews including the then owner of The New York Times, were totally opposed to Zionism’s Palestine project. Why? They believed it to be morally wrong. They feared it would lead to unending conflict with the Arabs and the wider Muslim world. But most of all they feared that if Zionism was allowed by the big powers to have its way, it would one day provoke violent anti-Semitism on a grand scale.
I am then going to give the two main reasons why knowledge of the difference between Judaism and Zionism is the key to understanding.
The first is that when you know the difference, you can understand why it is perfectly possible to be passionately anti-Zionist (anti Zionism’s colonial enterprise) without being in any way, shape or form anti-Semitic in the sense of loathing and even hating all Jews everywhere just because they are Jews.
The second is that when you know the difference between Judaism and Zionism, you can understand why it is wrong to blame all Jews everywhere for the crimes of the hard core Zionists in Israel.
Defenders of Israel right or wrong assert that Judaism and Zionism are one and the same in order to make the charge, as you do Mr. Foxman, that criticism of Israel is by definition a manifestation of anti-Semitism. That, I will tell my German audience, is Zionist propaganda nonsense for a blackmail purpose, the purpose being to silence criticism and prevent informed and honest debate about Israel’s policies and actions. And I will add this: “When you know the difference between Judaism and Zionism, you don’t have to be frightened about being falsely accused of anti-Semitism for speaking and writing the truth of history as it relates to the making and sustaining of the conflict in and over Palestine that became Israel. You can say to your Zionist accuser, ‘Go to hell!’”.
Mr. Foxman, I’m not going to tell you to go to hell. I have a constructive suggestion to make. If you truly believe that I am anti-Semitic, why don’t you say so explicitly in writing (on ADL’s web site will be fine) and then I can sue you. And that will give us the Mother and Father of a test case to determine what anti-Semitism is and is not. (For some of my in-depth thinking on this matter you may care to visit http://kanan48.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/anti-semitism-%E2%80%93-zionist-myth-vs-truth-and-reality-by-alan-hart/. There you’ll find an article of mine with the headline Anti-Semitism – Zionist myth vs truth and reality.
While you are thinking about how to respond to my suggestion, you might like to consider two particular statements I make in my book and on most public platforms.
The first is this. I do not blame the Zionist lobby for acting in the way it does. It is only playing the game according to the rules. I blame a corrupt, pork-barrel system of American politics which puts what passes for democracy sale up to the highest bidders.
The second is this. The Jews, generally speaking are the intellectual elite of the Western civilization and the Palestinians are by far the intellectual elite of the Arab world. What these two peoples could do together in peace and partnership is the stuff that dreams are made of. They could change the region for the better and by doing so give new hope and inspiration to the whole world.
And I’ll add this. I have two driving motivations.
One is to contribute to the understanding needed if there is ever to be an acceptable amount of justice for the Palestinians. Without it the future is predictable – catastrophe for all, possibly in the shape of a Clash of Civilizations, Judeo-Christian v Islamic.
The other is to contribute to the understanding needed to stop Holocaust II, shorthand for another great turning against the Jews. My Gentile views on this aspect of the matter are in tune with the warning words of Yehoshafat Harkabi, Israel’s longest serving Director of Military Intelligence. In his book Israel’s Fateful Hour, published in 1986, he wrote this:
Israel is the criterion according to which all Jews will tend to be judged. Israel as a Jewish state is an example of the Jewish character, which finds free and concentrated expression within it. Anti-Semitism has deep and historical roots. Nevertheless, any flaw in Israeli conduct, which initially is cited as anti-Israelism, is likely to be transformed into empirical proof of the validity of anti-Semitism. It would be a tragic irony if the Jewish state, which was intended to solve the problem of anti-Semitism, was to become a factor in the rise of anti-Semitism. Israelis must be aware that the price of their misconduct is paid not only by them but also Jews throughout the world.
In the world today we are witnessing a rising tide of anti-Israelism provoked by Israel’s arrogance of power, its contempt for international law and its appalling self-righteousness. (In Harkabi’s view self-righteousness is the biggest threat to Israel’s existence). If Israel stays on its present course, the danger is, as Harkabi warned, that anti-Israelism will be transformed into anti-Semitism, leading to another great turning against Jews everywhere and quite possibly starting in America. In my view the real danger of that happening will be greatly reduced if those (mainly Westerners) among whom most of the Jews of the world live are made aware of the difference between Judaism and Zionism.
Also to be said is that the Jews of the world (those in North America and Europe especially) could and should act to best protect their own interests by distancing themselves from the Zionist state and its crimes. In the Prologue to Volume One of my book which is titled Waiting for the Apocalypse, I quote Dr. David Goldberg, a prominent liberal London rabbi, as saying the following in 2001: “It may be time for Judaism and Zionism to go their separate ways.”
Today I would say to him, it’s not “may be” time, it is time.
Awaiting your response.
Sincerely,
Alan Hart
Extended Footnote for the record: Text of my overview of 9/11.
The starting point for any serious and honest discussion of 9/11 has to be this question: Did the impact of the planes and the heat of their burning fuel bring the Twin Towers down? If the answer is “Yes”, there’s no need for conspiracy theories. If the answer is “No”, the speculative question has to be – Who did it and how and why?
My own answer is “No”. In my analysis there’s enough evidence – visual, technical and scientific, and from eye-witnesses including fire fighters – to invite the conclusion that the Twin Towers, like Building Seven, were pre-wired for controlled demolition.
For context, the first observation I’d like to offer is that the mainstream media’s complicity in suppressing even questions and debate about what really happened on 9/11 is consistent. What I mean is that for the past 63 years – from the creation of the Zionist (not Jewish!) state of Israel mainly by terrorism and ethnic cleansing to the present – the mainstream media has been complicit in Zionism’s suppression the truth about the making and sustaining of the conflict in and over Palestine that became Israel. Put another way, the mainstream media has been content to peddle Zionism’s propaganda lies. The two biggest lies can be summed up in a very few words:
The first is that poor little Israel has lived in constant danger of annihilation, the “driving into the sea” of its Jews. The truth, as I document in detail through the three volumes of the American edition of my book Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews, is that Israel’s existence has never, ever, been in danger from any combination of Arab force. Zionism’s assertion to the contrary was the cover that allowed Israel to get away where it mattered most – in the Western world and America especially – with presenting its aggression as self defense and itself as the victim when it was and is the oppressor.
The second is that Israel “never had Arab partners for peace” That is complete nonsense. Just two of many examples to make the point… From almost the moment he came to power in 1951, Eygpt’s President Nasser wanted an accommodation with Israel. He had secret exchanges with Israel’s foreign minister, Moshe Sharret, who was in my view the only completely rational Israeli leader of his time. For wanting to make peace with Nasser and the Arabs, Sharett was destroyed by Israel’s founding father and first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion… Example number two: By the end of 1979, the pragmatic Yasser Arafat, Chairman of the PLO, had prepared the ground on his side for peace with Israel on the basis of a genuine and viable two-state solution – peace on terms which any rational government and people in Israel would have accepted with relief. But then, as is still the case today, Israel’s leaders and most of its Jewish citizens were not rational.
Prior to 9/11, the best single example of the mainstream media’s complicity in the suppression of the truth as it relates to conflict in the Middle East is Israel’s attack on the American spy ship, the USS Liberty, on 8th June 1967, the 4th day of the 6-Day war. (I was the first Western correspondent to the banks of the Suez Canal with the advancing Israelis, so I was in the Sinai desert at the time). That attack killed 37 Americans and seriously wounded more than 90 others. If things had gone according to the plan of the man who ordered that attack, Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan, the Liberty would have been sunk with all hands on board, leaving nobody to tell the story of what really happened… If it had been an Arab/Muslim attack on an American vessel, it’s reasonable to speculate that America would have resorted to a military strike, if not war, on the country or countries it held responsible. What did President Johnson do? Out of fear of offending the Zionist lobby and its stooges in Congress, he ordered a cover-up which remains in force to this day. And the mainstream media went along with it. As it still does.
The following are my summary thoughts on the possible/probable involvement of Israel’s Mossad in 9/11. Two scenarios – A or B.
In Scenario A it’s not impossible that 9/11 started out as an Arab/Muslim idea. But even if this was the case, Mossad would have had an inside track very quickly. From almost the moment of the Zionist state’s birth, Mossad put great effort into placing agents inside every Arab regime, every Arab military and security establishment and every Arab/Muslim liberation movement and terrorist group. Many of Mossad’s best and most effective agents were Moroccan and other North African Jews because they could pose most perfectly as Arabs. (In a moment I’ll tell you the short story of Mossad’s penetration of the Abu Nidal terrorist group).
In Scenario A the question is: Did Mossad tell anybody? My speculation is that it told some in the CIA and a few of Zionism’s neo-con associates, Jews and non-Jews, including Vice President Cheney (I call him the real Doctor Strangelove) and the likes of Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle. In this scenario Mossad could have asked, “What do we do about this?” And the answer could have been something like, “We’ll use it for the Pearl Harbour-like pretext we need.”
In this scenario, 9/11, even if it started out as an Arab/Muslim idea, was a joint Israeli/Mossad and American/neo-con conspiracy.
For background a very short story about Mossad’s penetration of the Abu Nidal terrorist group. Abu Nidal was a member of Arafat’s Fatah but he broke with it when Arafat had come to terms with the reality of Israel’s existence and was preparing the ground on his side for compromise with Israel. The Abu Nidal group, based mainly in Iraq, was responsible for the assassinations, mainly in Europe, of more than 20 of Arafat’s emissaries who were telling Western governments behind closed doors that the Fatah-dominated PLO was serious about compromise with Israel. An investigation by Arafat and Abu Iyad, Fatah’s counter intelligence chief, subsequently revealed that Abu Nidal was an alcoholic
- he consumed between one and two bottles of whisky a day, and for much of most days he was drunk, not sober. His number two was running the show and targeting those to be assassinated and directing the killing. Abu Nidal’s number two was a Mossad agent.
It was, in fact, two Palestinian students in London who were activated by the Abu Nidal group to assassinate Israeli ambassador Argov. It was that assassination attempt in 1982 that gave Israeli Prime Minister Begin and Defense Minister Sharon the pretext they needed to launch their invasion of Lebanon all the way to Beirut, for the purpose of exterminating the entire leadership of the PLO and destroying its infrastructure… Ambassador Argov survived and quite some time after the event, he indicated that he suspected Israel’s involvement (he could only have meant targeting) in the attempt to kill him.
Scenario B has to be considered because it’s a fact that some of the Arab/Muslim plotters, actual or alleged, were under surveillance by various Western intelligence agencies for years before 9/11. The agencies who were tracking them as possible/probable terrorists included the those of America, Germany and Israel.
In this scenario it’s not impossible that the idea for 9/11 was put into the heads of possible/probable Arab/Muslim terrorists by Mossad agents.
In this scenario, Mossad was actually running the show with key American neo-cons fixing things in America to make sure the attack was successful. From all that happened on the day, I’m not convinced that President Bush was in the pre-9/11 fixing loop. I think Cheney was most probably in control of the American executive oversight of what was essentially a Mossad false flag operation.
Question: How did 9/11 serve the interests of the lunatic right in Israel and its neo-con associates in America?
In their view Saddam Hussein represented the only foreseeable potential Arab challenge to Greater Israel’s continued military domination of the whole Arab world. He had to be removed. By falsely claiming that Iraq was implicated in the 9/11 attack, Zionism and its neo-con associates in America set the stage for President Bush to be conned into going to war.
As we know, Zionism’s intention to get rid of Saddam Hussein was not a secret. In 1996, under the chairmanship of Richard Perle, widely known in informed circles as the “Prince of Darkness”, American Zionism presented a policy document with the title A CLEAN BREAK: A NEW STRATEGY FOR SECURING THE REALM.
It urged incoming Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu to have no second thoughts about making a clean break with the Rabin policy of negotiating with the PLO and trading land for peace. Israel’s claim to all the land it occupied was “legitimate and noble”, the policy paper said. “Only the unconditional acceptance by Arabs of our rights is a solid basis for the future.” After the clean break Israel would be free to shape its “strategic environment”. What would that involve? Among other things, “re-establishing the principle of pre-emption (pre-emptive strikes)… focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq… weakening, containing and even rolling back Syria, Hizbollah and Iran.”
In fact the commitment of Zionism’s in-America fixers and their neo-con associates to getting rid of Saddam Hussein goes back further than 1996. They were angry when President Bush the First refused to complete the job when he assembled a coalition to eject Iraq from Kuwait. After that Zionism’s in-America fixers and their neo-con associates needed two things – a president who was dumb enough to buy their ideas – they got that with George “Dubya” Bush; and a “Pearl Harbour” like event to trigger the action. They got that with 9/11.
But there was much more to it. 9/11 was a win-win for Zionism in a number of ways.
Predictably it provoked a rising tide of Islamophobia throughout the Western world and across America especially. In the minds of uninformed and ignorant Americans (i.e. most Americans), that in turn gave added credibility to the Zionist state’s claim to be America’s only true and reliable ally in the whole of the Arab and wider Muslim world.
As I say in the Dear America introduction to the American edition of Volume 1 of my book, when Americans asked “Why do they hate us?”, they were more or less all Arabs and Muslims everywhere. And I ask this question: What would Americans have learned if, instead of rushing to declare his war on global terrorism, President Bush had caused the Why-do-they-hate-us question to be addressed seriously?
The short answer I give in my Dear America Introduction – the long answer is in the three volumes of my book – begins with the statement that the overwhelming majority of all Arabs and Muslims everywhere do NOT hate America or Americans. What almost all Arabs and Muslims everywhere DO hate is American foreign policy – its double standards in general and, in particular, its unconditional support for an Israel which ignores UN resolutions, demonstrates its contempt for international law and human rights conventions and resorts to state terrorism… A truth is that for decades very many Arabs and other Muslims would, if they could, have migrated to America to enjoy a better life there. Today, however, the number of Arabs and other Muslims who would opt for American residence and citizenship if they could is greatly reduced because of the fact, sad but true, that the monster of Islamophobia is on the prowl across the Land of the Free and licking its lips.
Unlike most Americans, most Arabs and other Muslims know that America’s unconditional support for Israel is not in America’s own best interests. In fact it’s not in anybody’s best interests including those of the Jews of the world and Israel itself.
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Thanks Alan for gutting the ADL slurs and smears. I communicate with my friends who are Jews and I get back ADL talking points "6 million" "you don't believe there was a Holocaust" "are you anti-Semitic"—I have some useful responses now thanks to you.
Alan Hart's words reflect truth coming from passion. Nevertheless
he is a seeker and spreader of true knowledge, unlike propaganda.
What is the difference between anti-Semitic and Islamophobic? The former is a crime/taboo but the latter is scholastic.
Dear Mr Hart,
I commend you upon your cogent open letter and your courage in considering the compelling case that the destruction of the WTC and other buildings was in fact a controlled demolition. Regarding this, the work of David Ray Griffin is definitely worth reading.
Thank you for your high quality work and for sharing it online. I shall be ordering your three volume book set and look forward to reading it very much.
A very small point if I may. In the interesting passage you've quoted from Harkabi, it reads as if only the first indented paragraph is from Harkabi, and that the second is not part of the quote?
Once again thank you.
Hannah
More to the point, as I see it, is not the difference between zionism and judaism, which are basically the same except one shoves it in your face and demands you accept it while the other remains 'forever persecuted'. let it be known that my jewish friends and i growing up together got along just fine until the word from upstairs came down that we would part our ways.
It was not until years later did I find out why we had to part. I was not jewish and therefore a goy. I thought it was because I smelled bad. My dad was the best cook of all my friends' parents and I figured jealousy of this avocation stung the soul as it embraced the nostrils. I did not know of the book of Sanhedrin, or the rest.
What is hidden within the pages of that book alone is enough to solicit prison time in most societies. And I am glad that is so.
When I wake up to the annoying sound of a neighbor's weed eater at 6AM on Saturday, I curse the son of a bitch and roll over and go back to sleep, at the same time blessing them, knowing I need not watch my back or my investments or anything else when the fellow is at work or play. And I God bless him for it.
We know who loaded those WTC buildings, and you can forget the reason why they did it. Its not enough. Millions are dead because of the exploitation of the blood sacrifice that day. And billions of dollars of hard-earned savings were stolen. America apparently does not care if it is dying of disease. They came here for the gravy. Not the stuff of warriors. Even worse, Israel has proven itself to be the promiseed land of organized crime.
Abe Foxman is considered a racist crank even by Jews. He does not talk for Jews nor does he have any interest in the well-being of Jews. His religion is money and hate. He is a tool of the Zionist criminals. People like Abe Foxman are the exact same type as the German Nazi.
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/adl/adl/abe-foxman-a-disgrace-to-my-religion.htm
Bravo for your courage!
A very courageous article,thank you for having the guts to print it. America needs much more of that type of "guts". I would think that a solid month,or less,of HONEST reporting about israel and it's zionists maniacs would see them dealt the justice they have long avoided. Good luck and watch your "six".
One thought. You suggest 9/11 was a plot allowed to happen by Mossad and Neo-cons in America to take out the man who "...represented the only foreseeable potential Arab challenge to Greater Israel’s continued military domination of the whole Arab world. He had to be removed... by falsely claiming that Iraq was implicated in the 9/11 attack"
Wouldn't they have done a better job of implicating him and Iraq in the attack then? The evidence for that is so non-existent that this does rather undermine this suggestion.
[...] —————————————————————————————- 9-11: An open letter to ADL’s Abe Foxman [...]
Thanks Alan Hart for having the courage to state the facts publicly
and for directing them at one of the biggest problems standing in the way of truth, Abe Foxman of The Defamation League.
If other mainstream journalists would do the same we would be well on our way to solving the problem which is destroying the economic and political health of the world.
Mike
An excellent rebuttal. I liked it enough to e-mail a copy to Colonel Patrick Lang, retired director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, for him to write an analysis of the dialectic in your analysis of Judaism v Zionism to publish on his website, A Committee of Correspondence, to invite debate among the many members of the intelligentsia who contribute to his website. There is a synergism between you. http://turcopolier.typepad.com/
I also took the liberty of copying R. James Woolsey, former DCI of the CIA and a spokesman for the Zionist lobby in Washington, to keep it balanced, i.e., to challenge him. It seemed appropriate as Mr. Woolsey is notorious for replacing his name tag at public events with his IQ, two points above Einstein!
I am respectfully, gratefully yours,
Karon von Gerhke-Thompson
Alexandria, VA
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
CC: [email protected]
Sent: 9/8/2011 6:06:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: The Dialectic in Alan Hart's Judaism v Zionism
Colonel Patrick Lang
Dear Colonel Lang:
Your readers and contributors to A Committee of Correspondence would undoubtedly benefit from your analysis of the dialectic in Alan Hart's Judaism v Zionism.
As the tenth anniversary of 9/11 is upon us, the timing could not be more propitious. The Arab Spring, where democracy is viewed as the new euphemism for the expansion of American imperialism, the New World Order G. H. W. Bush envisaged after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union, is not as it seems. At no time in history has the need been greater to break the juggernaut of the silence of the intelligentsia on an issue that is paramount to the survival of our nation and our allies, West and East!
Karon von Gerhke-Thompson
CC: R. James Woolsey (Courtesy Copy to keep it balanced!)
antiGENTILISM is the cause of so-called "antisemitism". Humanity did not invent "antisemitism" from thin air, and then wait thousands of years for a Jew to come along so they could "hate" him for absolutely no reason. Jews came along and codified hatred of ALL NON-Jews in their beliefs, as is thoroughly documented elsewhere. Now whenever a NON-Jew acts or speaks in SELF-DEFENSE, the Jews yell "antisemitism". Jew have to quit their HATE of the rest of HUMANITY, and "antisemitism" will dissipate. Jews must "recognize" the HUMAN and SPIRITUAL EQUALITY of all NON-Jews. Maybe those GENOCIDES the Bible THEY wrote and brag about, created some "animosity"?? Or the fact that Israel murders GOYIM/Palestinian/GENTILE CHILDREN in such a methodical manner, on such a regular basis, with such deliberate design, that it must be concluded that Israel is engaging in RITUAL SACRIFICE.
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Judaism is neither a race or a religion, it is Xenophobic Tribalism.
XENOPHOBIC: n.
A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.
TRIBALISM: n.
1. The organization, culture, or beliefs of a tribe.
2. A strong feeling of identity with and loyalty to one's tribe or group.
Under Xenophobic Tribalism anyone who is not a Jew is a THREAT to Jews.
Therefore ALL GOYIM, GENTILES,SHISHAS, are to be viewed and dealt with as THREATS.
I listen to Abe talk about 911 and think only the pure thoughts he supports- and then the overwhelming facts get in the way;
And I listen to Abe more about Israeli treatment of the Palestinians and think only the pure thoughts he supports and the overwhelming facts get in the way;
And then I listen to Abe more about the immorality of the Arabs and think only the nasty, racist thoughts he supports and the overwhelming facts get in the way;
And then I analyze all those facts about Arab terrorists in the United States and the demonizaton of the Arab-American community and the overwhelming facts of FBI (the FBI reportedly works closely with the ADL on a number of false flag projects including painting Swastikas on synagogues for political gain) involvement in entrapping mentally challenged and disabled Arabs in "homegrown terrorist plots" to make a political point get in the way.
And then I ask myself does Abe not know these facts or is he conveniently making up facts, forgetting facts or lying about facts in order to establish a narrative for political and/or personal gain?
And so I conclude, after reviewing the facts, that Abe is a puppet, a stooge or liar. He certainly isn't helpful or a good American citizen. He undermines our society and constitution every chance he gets.
Now those are facts, conclusions and opinions which Abe would label viciously anti-semitic, simply because Abe happens to be Jewish.
One last question:
Abe, do you have Al Sharpton as a consultant on speed dial?
The Torah and the Talmud are weapons of mass destruction and their adherents are enemies of humanity.
One of the things that is not being addressed is the misnomer that is the term "Anti-Semitism". The Jews/Zionists that exist throughout much of the world today are converts. They are not now, nor have they ever been, descendants of the Biblical Jews. Speaking Hebrew does not make them Semitic any more than my 4 years of High School French makes me a Parisian.
On the other hand, the Palestinians, in language and in blood, have been Semites predating the Bible. Many Palestinians, and other Arabs that speak Semitic languages, have relatives that are, or were, practitioners of Judaism. They are the true Semites, and to demonize and hate them would be true Anti-Semitism.
I appreciate your efforts, but the Jew vs Zionist argument contains a major flaw in that it does not acknowledge the fact that Jews have been subverting nations for thousands of years, long before Zionism became a convenient buzzword.
The actions of Nationalist are always threatening to neighbors. As the effects of the Israeli world domination progresses all truth gets lost and only the Myths get repeated.
Two questions, which I would appreciate being addressed -
1) If Zionism is understood as the right to self-determination for Jews, then what of anti-zionism? I know of no other movement which has as its raison d'etre the denial of self-determination. In this sense, I see anti-zionism as objective anti-semitism.
What's your response? What is your position on Jewish self-determination, assuming you consider yourself anti-Zionist? Are there any other people to whom you would deny self-determination?
2) You say "the Twin Towers, like Building Seven, were pre-wired for controlled demolition."
You understand both collapses of the Towers began at the exact level the planes hit. Twice. The collapses initiated at the point of maximum damage from the impact of speeding, fuel-laden jet passenger planes. The impacts were followed by explosions and severe, unfought fires. This was all at the exact level at which the collapses initiated - and which, in your view, were 'rigged with explosives'.
How did the conspirators know at which level the planes would strike (twice)?
How could explosives and their triggering mechanism survive the impacts (twice)?
How could the explosives and their triggering mechanism survive the fireball and ensuing fires (twice)?
What is the evidence this happened? There's none. So one wonders why you simply assume it.
Noting your assumption, and your readiness to invoke MOSSAD and Israeli involvement - without the least bit of evidence - I suggest to you that you are expressing your (maybe unconscious) objective anti-semitism. If you had good evidence to finger MOSSAD for this particular crime, fair enough. But you don't. So there must be another reason you choose to go from talking about supposed anti-zionism direct to 911 and Israeli involvement. The most obvious cause for your reaching such conclusions sans evidence, is anti-semitism.
Look forward to your reply.
My real name. I think I can answer your questions. As to the 1st question, there are at least two religious groupsin this country(Amish and Mennonites)who, like Jews keep separate from mainstream society. Yet to my knowledge there is no such thing in this country as anti-Amishism or anti-Mennonitism. The only individuals who have ever persecuted the Amish and Mennonites were kings and despots who did so because both groups refuse to bow down and serve rulers and despots of any sort. It therefore appears that a group separating itself from society has little to do with whether or not that group is despised and persecuted. So why are the Amish and Mennonites admired and respected by practically everyone while Jews are generally distrusted and despised? I would assume that it is because the Amish and Mennonite people are honest, hardworking individuals who make a living by honest toil rather than by banking frauds and financial speculation as has been the case with Jews since the Middle Ages. As to the demolition of the WTC buildings, it is not true that the demolition sequence started at or below the point of impact. If you look at the videos of the collapse, you can plainly see that the upper sections of both buildings (above the point) disintegrated as they fell toward the point of entry, so that there was never any hesitation or pause due to the upper sections contacting the lower sections, as would have been the case had these sections remained intact. Further proof lies in the fact that the debris pile of either building, contained no upper (undamaged) section that should have been seen sitting intact upon the debis pile. It is simply ludicrous for anyone to suggest that the buildings (which had been designed to withstand such damage) fell into their footprints due to relatively minor physical damage and the modest fires that followed.
Dear My Real Name,
reply to question 1;
The right to Self Determination for Jews is not Zionism. Self Determination is a separate and perfectly legitimate set of rights that must meet the same standards as any other rights of self determination, that is it must conform to the concepts of Human Rights under UN mandate. No more no less.
From above, "ZIONISM is a sectarian, colonial-like nationalism which created a state for some Jews in the Arab heartland mainly by terrorism and ethnic cleansing..."
Self Determination' "Acknowledging that the Charter of the United Nations, the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (2) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights,2 as well as the Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action,(3) affirm the fundamental importance of the right to self-determination of all peoples, by virtue of which they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development," as quoted from the UN Declaration of Human Rights found here;
http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/en/drip.html
With regard to question 2;
The impact point of the planes is irrelevant because the trigger system could initiate at any floor selected by the trigger operator. Similar demolition matrix require computer controlled sequencing of shape and cutter charges, which could easily have been configured to begin at any point in the matrix designated by the initiator or trigger operator.
With regard to your final assertion, you may find well researched discussions of Mossad method and opportunity here:
http://www.warbydeception.com
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://youtu.be/JZNQq7XBLwc
Please accept my offering of response in the spirit of peace and the hope for a world free of petty nationlism.
Thanks for replies but you really haven't dealt with
1) - the issue of self-determination. All people are entitled to self-determination.....zionism is Jewish self-determination.....so on the face of it to be anti-zionist is being against Jewish self-determination. I don't think this has been properly addressed.
2) the collapses certainly did start (twice) at the (two different) impact zones. How would explosives and their triggering mechanism survive? There is no answer to that imo - and moreover - where is the evidence to postulate it in the first place? I believe a teapot floating round Jupiter did it. There's no more nor less evidence for it than there is for explosives & controlled demolition. If there were, you (and Alan Hart) and many others would mention it, but you don't - because it simply does not exist. So why believe it?
If you make a claim - you have to back it up. Where's the direct, positive evidence for demolition? Nowhere.
And yet the writer mentions all this in a piece about anti-semitism versus anti-zionism.......why? If there's no evidence, then what is it doing in this article?
The fact there is no evidence to point to demolition - and yet the writer fingers Israel for responsibility severely undermines the writer's claims about anti-zionism versus anti-semitism.
An anti-semite would today invariably be anti-zionist. It is up to those who are not anti-semites to make the supposed distinction. Grinding against 'zionism' based on unfounded beliefs about Israeli responsibility for 911 belies an anti-semitism. What else would you call it?
If someone rails against blacks, say, because they believe without foundation that they invariably commit crime, rape and whatever else...we would uncontroversially condemn it as racial prejudice - because the beliefs are unsupported by the facts.
Yet when this happens with supposed anti-zionist attacks on Israel, it is controversial.....it's supposed to be "protecting Israel" etc blah blah blah. What a lot of tosh.
If you are going to go whining about being considered anti-semitic when you're "really" anti-zionist, don't go making unfounded claims about Israeli involvement in 911? You have zero evidence for it.....but you make the claims. What can we call it, if not anti-semitism? Stupidity?
Carroll Price said: "If you look at the videos of the collapse, you can plainly see that the upper sections of both buildings (above the point) disintegrated as they fell toward the point of entry"
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Why did they 'fall toward the point of entry"? Because that's where the collapse initiated. QED.
Excellent piece Alan.
Bravo.
Nabil
yes, of course they were involved; but the conspiracy seems to be sucking you into a spurious debate - suggest you cut loose from the anti-Semite bullshit and focus on new exposures; let's move on.
The official 9-11 story has too many holes in it. Like Cinderella, the foot of the Mosssad seems to fit into the slipper. Israel certainly benefitted from the event. We have the impossible collapse of three steel-frame buildings--one not even hit or burned. (Perhaps the last-minute cruise missile strike on the Pentagon was cooked up to account for the plane shot down in Pennsylvania probably originally destined for WTC-7.) We have the loss of 80% of the buildings mass as fine dust below 10 microns--characteristuic of demolition. We have plane crashes and small fires--possibly synchronized to mask smoke from thermite charges used to soften structural steel main beams over a 20 minute period. We have the impossibility of conventional demolition charges because 10,000 or more would have been necessary. No, Virginia, spontaneous collapse buildings don't neatly collapse into their footprint. Certainly not three times in a row! (My late dad, an assistant to an NYPD deputy chief inspector once told me--based on the best engineering information--their fear was that if one of the structures did fall it would break off and cause a domino-effect collapse of skyscrapers in lower Manhattan.) High levels of tritium were detected by the National Bureau of Standards (attributed to red-dot Federal gunsights on the premises! Ha, ha.) And, no metal was released even for commemorative medals. Why? As someone once considered knowledgeable on radiation processing of materials, I can tell you that all steel of terrestrial origin (except steel from nuclear reactors, steel exposed to nuclear blasts, or steel that has been in outer space for an extended period) has a characteristic isotope signature that does not change over tens of thousands of years. Meteorites, for instance, can be tested to show extraterresterial origins. Were so-called mini nukes used? I can't think of another reason we didn't have a 1000-foot-high pile of debris from a simple collapse!
what's the point in offering comments when
1) you don't personally respond
2) you don't publish them
Pathetic. Forget it.
No replies, no responses.
What an empty shallow pointless blog.
Thank you for having the courage to speak the truth. You are my beacon of sincerety in this sea of deceit and conflicting information. Your standing is such that your words can persuade even those who believe the intentions of our rulers too malicious to be conceivable from their fellow man - a serene naivety we regrettably cannot afford in these times. May peace be with you and your words resound around the world.
Greetings Alan Hart: regarding your thought's on Mr. Abe Foxman. And how he could be a positive force, "What these two peoples could do together in peace and partnership is the stuff that dreams are made of." I also state Below how he could be a positive help in returning our national FIVE Pointed Star to the seats in the US. House of Representatives .
Be well Safe Travels Ron PS. a bratwurst, mustard & flip top sounds great--- Army 3 Armored Division---Fulda Gap 1962
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The ADL, a non-government Zionist agent organization embedded in the USA posing as a philanthropic group, calls Veterans Today out as Extremists
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by Debbie Menon
Ronald Douglas Kennedy
September 9, 2011 - 12:06 pm
Will Abe Foxman an American Help restore the United States National Five Pointed Star’s to the sides of each seat in our House wear our Congress Men and Ladies meet to work for the betterment of American’s, With His Anti- Defamation League. How was our National Five Pointed Star Defamed in 1949, and replaced with a Foreign Six Pointed Star With out a Vote or fight, of its surrender to Foreign Lobbyists?
Forwarded Message:
Subj: RE: Six Pointed Star on Sides of Seats. Request for information [ohps]
Date: 9/6/2006 1:30:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent from the Internet (Details)
Dear Mr. Kennedy,
Thank you for contacting the Office of the Clerk.
There are unfortunately no published images that show a detail of the stars at the joints of the seats in the current House Chamber, on the internet or in print.
The current style of furniture was installed in 1949, and was manufactured by a New York furniture company called Knip, which is no longer in business. There are drawings for both five and six -pointed brass stars associated with the design of the furniture, but there is no documentation explaining or mentioning the use of the six-pointed version.
Office of the Clerk
"My real name" points out the importance of "Jewish self determination". I, too, support this goal for Jews who want it. However, this should be done on land these Jews legally own (i.e., not land stolen from the inhabitants) and with money they earned lawfully (i.e., not mine). These are the problem I have with the current Israeli state--a real Zionist (like Uri Avnery) should see that the current military-political situation thoroughly clouds the experiment of producing Jews who are independent and self sufficient in their own state.
What's the point in having a blog but never publishing or responding to the comments?
What a waste of time. One-way isn't dialogue. But you know that, and that's the point, isn't it? Pathetic.
But Tom, you are saying if conditions existed such that there was no need of Jewish self-determination, then you would support self-determination.
You're saying if the conditions brought about by self-determination already existed, then you would support self-determination.....tautology.
And one could direct your argument at other historical examples, such as USA. Why support America's existence then? Because it was "a long time ago"? Is that really good enough?
You're also ignoring UN resolutions founding Israel and supposing that Israel was formerly "owned" by someone else. And I guess you don't mean the British. In fact there are conditions that better distinguish Israel as legitimate than the USA. So why isn't the argument about the USA rather than Israel aka Zionism aka jewish self-determination?
Anyway, the writer says he is "passionately anti-Zionist". That means being passionately anti-Jewish self-determination.
Which other nation's self-determination does the writer oppose? None, only Jews......so pardon me, but there's really only one thing to call that imo.....anti-semitism. What else can it be?
It isn't about religion, because Islamic states exist - nations which declare themselves Islamic, and Arab even. Is the writer protesting that too? No. So....what's the beef? The beef is that the writer opposes Jewish self-determination and nobody else's. That's objective anti-semitism......taking a stand against Jews pursuing the same things which when pursued by other people raises no objection.
"My realname" wrote:
"... It isn't about religion, because Islamic states exist - nations which declare themselves Islamic, and Arab even...."
There is no one islamic state nowadays. No one! And surely not the oligarchic state of Saudi Arabia backed by USA and Israel.
There is a huge difference between Islam and Zionism. The rules and values of Islam are open to every human being. Being muslim or not! This is not the case of Talmudism, the religion of zionists. One can not be a jewish if the mother is not jewish. This is the essence of genetic racism: the talmudists believe that the prophethood lies in the genes. That was the reason why they rejected Jesus son of Mary as the Messiah (Peace be upon him and her): she claimed the baby had no father so the talmudists couldn't trace back the genetic ascendance of Jesus. Almost the same case happend some years before with John The Baptist: they couldn't trust his elderly parents. And so .. and so ...
To be arab is sollely a matter of speaking arabic. No more no less. In North Africa, people are all berbers physically and culturally different from "arabs" but they still claim to be "arabs" because they speak arabic and proud to be muslim and linked with the great islamic culture and civilisation.
As for Israel: we can't be an israeli if we are not from jewish descent. The zionist state is based on racism. QED.
My real name wrote:
"What's the point in having a blog but never publishing or responding to the comments?"
You have the answer right under your eyes! ;)